Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for SWLs?

2014-08-18 Thread Phil Wheeler
Hmm ... Above 49 meters an AlexLoop with the KX3 should work very well for SWBC. Phil W7OX On 8/18/14, 9:47 AM, Chris Chien wrote: Using the PREAMP increases both the signal and noise at the same time. It works well with a 20dB gain active loop antenna, but it still not completely blowing the

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for SWLs?

2014-08-18 Thread Chris Chien
Both the bandwidth and speaker have been taken into consideration. With a short passive whip, the KX3 is far behind the Grundig, because even strong station is barely heard from KX3. However, an active antenna makes the KX3 much better, but still not significantly better than the little Grundig. In

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for SWLs?

2014-08-18 Thread George Fritkin via Elecraft
Wouldn't the fact that the bandwidth is much more narrow in the KX3 than your typical SW RX. So AM is much better SSB probably better (speaker used not mentioned). A lot of SW radios copy FM radio stations, hence better fidelity. The signal strength maybe just apparent because the Signal + Noi

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for SWLs?

2014-08-18 Thread Wayne Burdick
The Grudig is a fine radio, lacking only the ability to transmit. Wayne N6KR On Aug 18, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Chris Chien wrote: > Using the PREAMP increases both the signal and noise at the same time. > It works well with a 20dB gain active loop antenna, but it still not > completely blowing th

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for SWLs?

2014-08-18 Thread Chris Chien
Using the PREAMP increases both the signal and noise at the same time. It works well with a 20dB gain active loop antenna, but it still not completely blowing the Grundig away. I might want to test it later with a full size dipole. Though the little G3 is not at all in the same class as KX3, but it

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for SWLs?

2014-08-18 Thread Wayne Burdick
You could use an "active antenna" (amplified) with the KX3 -- just don't transmit into it. The Grundig probably has the equivalent of an active antenna amplifier built in. Wayne On Aug 18, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Chris Chien wrote: > I agree. I used a short whip simply to see if the KX3 is suitabl

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for SWLs?

2014-08-18 Thread Chris, G5VZ
The KX3 works superbly well with a voltage probe antenna, such as the PA0DRT Mini Whip design. I've used my KX3 with a NASA Marine HF Active Antenna, too. All small, neat, tidy and high performance for listening. Performance comparing very well with full-size antennas. Chris G5VZ / WG5VZ O

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for SWLs?

2014-08-18 Thread Chris Chien
I agree. I used a short whip simply to see if the KX3 is suitable for portable SWLs. In this case, I would say a short whip doesn't make KX3 a descent shortwave receiver. 73, AC9FU 2014-08-18 23:59 GMT+08:00 Wayne Burdick : > The Grudig has more gain because it is designed to be used with a sho

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for SWLs?

2014-08-18 Thread Wayne Burdick
The Grudig has more gain because it is designed to be used with a short whip. The KX3 is built for high dynamic range with full-size antennas, so it will perform better with a long wire, dipole, vertical, etc., cut for the band in use. But if you have no choice but to use a short whip with the

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 for SWLs?

2014-08-18 Thread Fred Smith
Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chris Chien Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 9:47 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 for SWLs? Someone said the KX3 makes a descent shortwave receiver using telescopic antenna. I connected

[Elecraft] KX3 for SWLs?

2014-08-18 Thread Chris Chien
Someone said the KX3 makes a descent shortwave receiver using telescopic antenna. I connected a whip antenna with loading coil for 20m, and compared the performance side by side to a Grundig G3 shortwave radio. The latter was using its own internal telescopic antenna. However, the G3 radio turned o