Re: [Elecraft] QRP and contesting

2022-11-13 Thread Dave New, N8SBE
On 2022-11-10 21:21, Bill Lederer wrote: That is pretty impressive. When I was first a ham, one of the locals was W7QYA, Flo, a school teacher not far away. I had managed to crank my speed up to 40 (with some struggle) but she said that was painfully slow for her. Her nominal speed was 65

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and contesting

2022-11-10 Thread Bill Lederer
That is pretty impressive. When I was first a ham, one of the locals was W7QYA, Flo, a school teacher not far away. I had managed to crank my speed up to 40 (with some struggle) but she said that was painfully slow for her. Her nominal speed was 65 wpm. I have yet to get much above 40. On Thu,

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and contesting

2022-11-10 Thread Edward Tanton
Wow!! Awesome post. Thanks for sharing this. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: Wayne Burdick Date: 11/10/22 1:46 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Alan Geller Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRP and contesting Funny story Last Field Day my son

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and contesting

2022-11-10 Thread Wayne Burdick
Funny story Last Field Day my son and a friend of his went camping with our group. Neither of them are CW operators (yet), but they did know the alphabet. They borrowed a MCU-controlled code-practice generator from another op and were competing to see who could copy single letters at the

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-10 Thread Rocco Conte
Jim, I can't argue with that logic, I stand corrected! 73, Rocco - WU2M On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 1:02 PM Jim Brown wrote: > On 11/10/2022 8:14 AM, Rocco Conte wrote: > > No offence guys but shouldn't this be on a contest reflector and not the > > Elecraft reflector? > > No, the folks on that

[Elecraft] QRP and contesting

2022-11-10 Thread Alan Geller via Elecraft
Yea Wayne, thats the terrific Elecraft attitude that keeps your customer base strong and loyal. Its called, “ lets all have fun and learn something” Hooray for the serious high speed ops, a Lot of ex Navy guys, but its pretty easy to spot the slow lane and ease back into the fast lane. Happy

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-10 Thread Jim Brown
On 11/10/2022 8:14 AM, Rocco Conte wrote: No offence guys but shouldn't this be on a contest reflector and not the Elecraft reflector? No, the folks on that reflector know this stuff. :) It's the casual contesters who don't. 73, Jim K9YC

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-10 Thread Rocco Conte
No offence guys but shouldn't this be on a contest reflector and not the Elecraft reflector? On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 6:49 PM a**@sbcglobal wrote: > By the way, Jim, in case you were wondering, you sounded absolutely superb > here in KY. And you were not one of the offending Big Guns. I

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-09 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
Definitely agree. I regularly operate in the CWops CWT activity at 0300z, which is 0500 local time for me in the winter. I am limited at that time to 40m (I don't have an antenna for 80/160 and the higher bands are deader than a doornail). The majority of my contacts at that hour are with

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-09 Thread David Gilbert
In the presences of a lot of background noise (as on 160m) slower speeds can sometimes improve readability.  Your ear/brain benefits from being able to integrate the tone over the noise.  Some years ago I did some experiments with that here: http://www.ab7e.com/weak_signal/mdd.html  

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-09 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2022 09 Nov 17:32 -0600, Jim Brown wrote: > On 11/9/2022 3:18 PM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: > > Al, if you called CQ at 30WPM and they answered at 45WPM and you had to ask > > for repeats, you are not the lid! > > In my experience, the greatest abuse of wildly excessive sending speed has > been

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-09 Thread john
This is all good contesting advice Mike, especially regarding working dupes. Thanks for the SS QSO, John KK9A Mike Dodd N4CF wrote: I'll toss in my two cents I have fair-to-middlin' CW skills, and I've operated a lot of CW contests. I was surprised and disappointed to hear so many

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-09 Thread Mike Dodd
On 11/9/2022 6:18 PM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: Al, if you called CQ at 30WPM and they answered at 45WPM and you had to ask for repeats, you are not the lid! I'll toss in my two cents I have fair-to-middlin' CW skills, and I've operated a lot of CW contests. I was surprised and disappointed

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-09 Thread a******@sbcglobal
By the way, Jim, in case you were wondering, you sounded absolutely superb here in KY. And you were not one of the offending Big Guns. I mean, yes, you’re a Big Gun but no, I didn’t have you in mind during my rant. You know what I mean. :^) Al W6LX/4 > On Nov 9, 2022, at 6: > Great advice,

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-09 Thread Jim Brown
On 11/9/2022 3:18 PM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: Al, if you called CQ at 30WPM and they answered at 45WPM and you had to ask for repeats, you are not the lid! In my experience, the greatest abuse of wildly excessive sending speed has been in DX contests, mostly by Eastern EU ops, whether at home or

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-09 Thread john
Al, if you called CQ at 30WPM and they answered at 45WPM and you had to ask for repeats, you are not the lid! If they were running at a higher speed that you're comfortable with, you probably could figure out their info from QSOs before and after you. If it is not copyable you just have to move

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-09 Thread Jim Brown
On 11/9/2022 2:31 PM, Al Lorona wrote: I mean, 30 WPM with no repeats is actually faster than 40 WPM with some repeats. Great advice, Al. My friend N6TV, who has won SS several times, starts out in the 30s, but slows down towards the end of the contest. Nearly all of my operation was 26-28

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-09 Thread Andrew (A.J.) Stockton via Elecraft
How about an online counter for ‘Please Copy’. {coming to SSB soon}. Need a quarter jar for that one….. -AJ | NK4O > On Nov 9, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > > This issue is a kind of double-edged sword that cuts not only newbies with > bad fists, but Big Guns with fists that are,

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-09 Thread Al Lorona
This issue is a kind of double-edged sword that cuts not only newbies with bad fists, but Big Guns with fists that are, well, *too* good. I noticed this opposite phenomenon as soon as CW SS got started. It seemed that the average CW speed was way up this year. (I hadn't operated the SS in a

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Byron Servies
What stuff. If you are going to operate with a key, you should have practiced enough beforehand to be able to send the entire exchange without an issue. One repeat at most. That is all Jim is complaining about: be minimally competent. 73, Byron N6NUL On Tue, Nov 8, 2022, at 9:04 PM, Victor

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
Jim, The alternative is that if one is new to CW (or to ham radio at all), he/she should not operate in the Sweepstakes, and just let the experienced ops have their fun. I'm sure you would not prefer that! 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Andrew Moore
No, you don't win >> categories, but my head & heart love itSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >> Original message From: Wayne Burdick >> Date: 11/8/22 6:41 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Andrew Moore < >> andrew.n...@gmail.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Richard Hill
e From: Wayne Burdick > Date: 11/8/22 6:41 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Andrew Moore < > andrew.n...@gmail.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting Andrew Moore < > andrew.n...@gmail.com> wrote:> For many of us...the joy of contest

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2022 08 Nov 16:33 -0600, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > looks like someone is having a bad day No. Jim's comments are very apropos. I am a causal contest op and I always use a logging program with keying simply because it is the most efficient means for me to do so and I have a very lousy

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Andrew Moore
(to be clear: I have great respect and admiration for the hard-core CW contest ops and their high speed skills) NV1B .. On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 6:27 PM Andrew Moore wrote: > Hi Jim - > > Among the best ways to get better at something is to practice, and often a > better way is to practice

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Edward Tanton
4G LTE Device Original message From: Wayne Burdick Date: 11/8/22 6:41 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Andrew Moore Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting Andrew Moore wrote:> For many of us...the joy of contesting> is keying by hand and taking

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Wayne Burdick
Andrew Moore wrote: > For many of us...the joy of contesting > is keying by hand and taking notes on paper... I'm in this group. Casual contest operation, usually QRP, mostly CW, and almost always logging by hand. I greatly appreciate all of the very serious ops out there who approach this

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Andrew Moore
Hi Jim - Among the best ways to get better at something is to practice, and often a better way is to practice while jumping into a live scenario (as opposed to simulated or offline) before you're reasonably proficient. I wouldn't recommend that approach for learning how to fly an airplane or

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Jorge Diez - CX6VM
looks like someone is having a bad day we should create a contest only for smart people hi hi hi even those who seem to be intelligent are wrong, who will have to do this with Elecraft to publish it on this list? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W El mar, 8 nov 2022 a las 19:16, Jim Brown () escribió: >

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Jim Brown
On 11/8/2022 1:55 PM, Jerry Moore wrote: And that is why a lot of hams are afraid of getting one the air with cw. Elitist ops. An op who expects a caller to be able to send a two or three digit number in less than a minute is NOT elitist! An op who expects someone entering a contest to check

Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Jerry Moore
uesday, November 8, 2022 4:49:45 PM To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] QRP and Contesting I made more than 1,000 QSOs in Sweepstakes this weekend, and the most frustrating, by far, were from a couple of dozen QRPers who 1) never heard of dupe checking; and 2) sent by hand with pretty lousy

[Elecraft] QRP and Contesting

2022-11-08 Thread Jim Brown
I made more than 1,000 QSOs in Sweepstakes this weekend, and the most frustrating, by far, were from a couple of dozen QRPers who 1) never heard of dupe checking; and 2) sent by hand with pretty lousy fists. Late Sunday evening, while calling CQ on another band, I waited a couple of minutes