Re: [Elecraft] Question about antenna matching

2021-07-14 Thread David Gilbert
Actually, I never suggested a Q for the coil.  Al must have been thinking about somebody else when he said that part, although the rest of what he attributed to me is accurate.  I usually use a Q of 200  for an air core coil if I'm trying to be conservative, but a Q of 400 is reasonable if yo

Re: [Elecraft] Question about antenna matching

2021-07-14 Thread Alan Bloom
The Drake tuners used a Pi-L circuit topology in which the circulating current in the inductor is independent of the load impedance.  Assuming almost all the loss is in the inductor, that means that the loss is independent of the load impedance. (Another advantage of that topology is you get g

Re: [Elecraft] Question about antenna matching

2021-07-14 Thread CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft
na > > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 9:32 AM > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Question about antenna matching > > > > Thanks to Al N1AL, Jack W6FB, and Dave AB7E for great information that > > helped me a lot. > > > >

Re: [Elecraft] Question about antenna matching

2021-07-13 Thread Julia Tuttle
orona > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 9:32 AM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Question about antenna matching > > Thanks to Al N1AL, Jack W6FB, and Dave AB7E for great information that > helped me a lot. > > I'm in the circuit simulation

Re: [Elecraft] Question about antenna matching

2021-07-13 Thread Ray
13, 2021 9:32 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Question about antenna matching Thanks to Al N1AL, Jack W6FB, and Dave AB7E for great information that helped me a lot. I'm in the circuit simulation business, after all, and I confess that I was just being lazy

Re: [Elecraft] Question about antenna matching

2021-07-13 Thread Al Lorona
Thanks to Al N1AL, Jack W6FB, and Dave AB7E for great information that helped me a lot. I'm in the circuit simulation business, after all, and I confess that I was just being lazy, so I ran some simulations that confirmed what Dave, in particular, had said. As suggested by Dave, I chose typica

[Elecraft] Question about antenna matching

2021-07-13 Thread Andy Durbin
It's probably worth noting that KAT500 stores the bypass SWR (VSWRB) for every tuning solution (every bin and every antenna in that bin). The bypass SWR is used to limit the power that can be applied to the tuner without it faulting. e.g. DM BN00;BIN 31;FR 1810-1819;ADDR 10612; AN3;BYPN;SIDET;

[Elecraft] Question about antenna matching

2021-07-12 Thread Bob McGraw
out of the box. 73 Bob, K4TAX Message: 2 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:17:43 -0500 From: Jack Brindle To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Question about antenna matching Message-ID:<7cc60665-e824-4132-bc62-014d695d7...@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 There is

Re: [Elecraft] Question about antenna matching

2021-07-11 Thread David Gilbert
Hi, Al. Yes, some mismatches are much more problematic than others, even for the same SWR. One way to see this is to use TLW, the transmission line calculator that comes free with the ARRL Antenna Book.  Choose whatever load impedance you want in any combination of real and reactive values.

Re: [Elecraft] Question about antenna matching

2021-07-11 Thread Jack Brindle via Elecraft
There is another big consideration in modern ATUs which use toroid cores for the inductors. The cores will heat up during transmission, especially for bad mismatches. Remember, the ATU still has to deal with the high reflected power as it provides a good match for the radio. If the heating reach

Re: [Elecraft] Question about antenna matching

2021-07-11 Thread Alan Bloom
I can't speak directly about Elecraft tuners, but I did design an antenna tuner when I was at Drake many years ago. We specified the Drake MN-2700 at 5:1 SWR.  I made sure it would match that SWR at all phase angles on all specified bands. Typically the low-impedance end tends to be the harde

Re: [Elecraft] Question about antenna matching

2021-07-11 Thread Dave
I take it to mean, the tuner will "probably" match any halfway well designed antenna... 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 7/11/21 11:58 AM, Al Lorona wrote: This quest

[Elecraft] Question about antenna matching

2021-07-11 Thread Al Lorona
This question is about how manufacturers spec the matching range of their antenna tuners. If an antenna system presents an impedance of 5 + j0 ohms to the antenna tuner, that's an SWR = 10 to 1. But, an antenna impedance of 50 - j143 ohms is also SWR = 10. So is 110 - j200 ohms. When a manufa