Re: [Elecraft] Recommended AGC settings for separation of signalsin CW pile-ups

2010-12-06 Thread R. Kevin Stover
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Exactly! It continues today. A couple weeks ago there was a dust up on the list about "Variable Q" for the APF filter. Can you imagine what's going to happen the first time someone actually starts monkeying around with that and can't get it set back

Re: [Elecraft] Recommended AGC settings for separation of signalsin CW pile-ups

2010-12-05 Thread David Cutter
I recall someone on this list predicting this behaviour and said that he used a tx shift of 50Hz so that he stood out from the crowd to get in first shout. David G3UNA Guy Olinger said: It's not NEARLY on frequency. It's EXACTLY ON FREQUENCY. I know what I'm hearing. I can hear a hertz in

Re: [Elecraft] Recommended AGC settings for separation of signalsin CW pile-ups

2010-12-05 Thread Dale Putnam
In this particular case, and pretty much only this case, which is NOT detectable by the tx control operator, is the ONLY situation that key clicks may be of some assist to the rx operator, and how much help the clicks are will depend entirely upon the experience of the operator, AND the conditi

Re: [Elecraft] Recommended AGC settings for separation of signalsin CW pile-ups

2010-12-05 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I believe the parameters were that people hearing a diff at 3 dB were the first statistically significant group, and half/most at 6 dB. And this was a defined task without distractions. Would guess that same on a noisy 160m is more difficult, yes. 73, Guy. On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Barry

Re: [Elecraft] Recommended AGC settings for separation of signalsin CW pile-ups

2010-12-05 Thread Jan Erik Holm
t: Sunday, December 05, 2010 9:22 AM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommended AGC settings for separation > of signalsin CW pile-ups > > Oh well,I don't like to argue anybody or disagree anybody but I > was at the contest as well and and I could ea

Re: [Elecraft] Recommended AGC settings for separation of signalsin CW pile-ups

2010-12-05 Thread Barry N1EU
Guy, K2AV wrote: > > Or stated differently, your ear probably needs something an S-unit > difference to discern two signals exactly on frequency with no other > separation information in the signal blend. > My experience, which seems to be shared by several others, is that even signals of grea

Re: [Elecraft] Recommended AGC settings for separation of signalsin CW pile-ups

2010-12-05 Thread Don Wilhelm
Dave, The signals can be separated by amplitude if you set the AGC slope correctly - unfortunately, that is not the default settings. See the article dealing with the K3 AGC on my website www.w3fpr.com. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2010 11:50 AM, Dave Hachadorian wrote: > This thread is not about co

Re: [Elecraft] Recommended AGC settings for separation of signalsin CW pile-ups

2010-12-05 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
ctor Padron > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 9:22 AM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommended AGC settings for separation > of signalsin CW pile-ups > > Oh well,I don't like to argue anybody or disagree anybody but I > was at the contest as well

Re: [Elecraft] Recommended AGC settings for separation of signalsin CW pile-ups

2010-12-05 Thread Barry N1EU
I'm one of the biggest proponents of AGC Off on the K3, but I honestly don't find that it helps much with multiple nearly-on-frequency callers. It helps greatly with relief from AGC riding by neighboring key clickers, but not so much with sorting out the nearly-on-frequency pileups. That just se

Re: [Elecraft] Recommended AGC settings for separation of signalsin CW pile-ups

2010-12-05 Thread Dave Hachadorian
adron Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 9:22 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recommended AGC settings for separation of signalsin CW pile-ups Oh well,I don't like to argue anybody or disagree anybody but I was at the contest as well and and I could easily separate CW sta