!Re: [ELECRAFT] Using XG1 to measure feedline losses

2005-04-21 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: One BIG factor is whether you are using a balun in the system. I've yet to find a balun that isn't unpredictable and frequently lossy when used in a feedline with high reactance, that is any balanced feedline with an SWR much above 1:1, no matter the type. For just that

Re: [ELECRAFT] Using XG1 to measure feedline losses

2005-04-21 Thread Stuart Rohre
Very interesting test and another use for the XG1! Remember, the fat ladder line may be not canceling the currents, ie is not as balanced as the more narrow line. Or maybe, the window narrow line is just the better match to the tuner or it is the routing and the surrounding influences. -Stuart

Re: [ELECRAFT] Using XG1 to measure feedline losses

2005-04-21 Thread Stuart Rohre
That is a good point, as you do not want the AGC to activate giving a wrong reading on the comparisons. If it were possible to disable AGC, you would be able to be sure it is out of affecting measurements. Also, you should use a step attenuator to make sure no other circuits are overloaded for

Re: [ELECRAFT] Using XG1 to measure feedline losses

2005-04-21 Thread Stuart Rohre
An external 4:1 balun is typically less lossy than the built in 4:1 baluns. Better still, use the W5YR idea, a bead ferrite choke on the coax output, then connect there with a coax to binding post adapter for balanced line, and you eliminate questions about your balun. An alternate is to use a

RE: [ELECRAFT] Using XG1 to measure feedline losses

2005-04-21 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Stuart K5KVH wrote: An external 4:1 balun is typically less lossy than the built in 4:1 baluns. Better still, use the W5YR idea, a bead ferrite choke on the coax output, then connect there with a coax to binding post adapter for balanced line, and you eliminate questions about your balun.

Re: [ELECRAFT] Using XG1 to measure feedline losses

2005-04-21 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
For shirt verticals with a low impedance I use a step-up balun, but again it seems to work better when the X is not the problem, but tehe R. WB6ZQZ makes a kit. On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:53 pm, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: But, if the 4:1 balun is looking into an antenna or feed line with a high SWR

Re: [ELECRAFT] Using XG1 to measure feedline losses

2005-04-21 Thread Stuart Rohre
W5YR, (sk) used the beads for transition to his balanced line adapter to the coax connection on his tuner. That is the beauty of the cable choke and Beads, they are operating on the OUTSIDE of the coax section, and thus the transformation ratio is taken care of inside the tuner, but RF is blocked

Re: [ELECRAFT] Using XG1 to measure feedline losses

2005-04-20 Thread kg4htt
I tested the idea tonight, and got some surprising results. I attached the XG1 to a 12 foot dipole, which I taped to the center of my 52 ft. loop (16 X 10 ft.) opposite the feedpoint. I used insulated wire, so there was not an electrical connection from the XG1 to the antenna, just wanted the

Re: [ELECRAFT] Using XG1 to measure feedline losses

2005-04-20 Thread brian
I have been using my K2 for antenna measurements but the approach I have taken is to measure the AGC voltage and calibrate it against known sources in 10 db increments.The chip used for AGC has a linear region, or I should say linear with respect the db scale, and becomes non linear on

RE: [ELECRAFT] Using XG1 to measure feedline losses

2005-04-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Vic, KG4HTT wrote: I tested the idea tonight, and got some surprising results. I attached the XG1 to a 12 foot dipole, which I taped to the center of my 52 ft. loop (16 X 10 ft.) opposite the feedpoint... I cranked the RF on my K2 all the way up, but left the audio at 9 o'clock to keep the signal

Re: [ELECRAFT] Using XG1 to measure feedline losses

2005-04-20 Thread Vic Rosenthal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tested the idea tonight, and got some surprising results. I attached the XG1 to a 12 foot dipole, which I taped to the center of my 52 ft. loop (16 X 10 ft.) opposite the feedpoint. I'm not sure why you got the result that you did, but it's possible that the

[Elecraft] Using XG1 to measure feedline losses

2005-04-19 Thread kg4htt
Right now I'm using an end fire array antenna that I also can use as a 52 ft. circumference loop. Given the very high SWR on the feedline, especially when running the loop on 40M and 80M, I recently swapped out the 18 feet of 450 ohm window ladder line between my tuner and the loop, and replaced

RE: [Elecraft] Using XG1 to measure feedline losses

2005-04-19 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Vic wrote: Right now I'm using an end fire array antenna that I also can use as a 52 ft. circumference loop. Given the very high SWR on the feedline, especially when running the loop on 40M and 80M, I recently swapped out the 18 feet of 450 ohm window ladder line between my tuner and the loop,

Re: [Elecraft] Using XG1 to measure feedline losses

2005-04-19 Thread Stuart Rohre
Can the XG1 transmit into a 50 ohm resistor with short stiff wire leads to couple, near the loop? -Stuart K5KVH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change,