Re: [Elecraft] securing toroids in K2, why not?

2011-07-02 Thread Don Wilhelm
Ron, Not diminishing your field experience, but speaking only from my experience with the K2 ... Consider in the case of the K2, the engineer's decisions have been scrubbed by first the Field Testers - ranging from experienced builders (including other engineers) to those who are building a

Re: [Elecraft] securing toroids in K2, why not?

2011-07-02 Thread Rick Dettinger
Hi Jim Good story! I think that was a few years ago. Rolls-Royce acquired a license to produce the HydraMatic in 1952! I remember 1952 well, as that was the year we got our first TV, The last ones on the block to do so. 73, Rick Dettinger K7MW > > Reminds me of a story that I he

Re: [Elecraft] securing toroids in K2, why not?

2011-07-02 Thread vr2xmc
U don't need all those adhesive for all toroids. 73 Johnny Sent from my iPhone 4 R Thompson 於 2011年7月3日 上午9:02 寫道: > I just installed the first toroid, RFC14, in my K2 kit. After > winding it, I sprayed it with conformal coating, and just before > installing it I put a small dab of RTV3145

Re: [Elecraft] securing toroids in K2, why not?

2011-07-02 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
And then there's the "Armstrong" approach to engineering exhibited in the American Packard V12 of the 1930's.The big V12 engine had so much torque one could leave the transmission in high gear and start from a dead stop with no strain. Many owners never shifted gears. I do second-guess engineers a

Re: [Elecraft] securing toroids in K2, why not?

2011-07-02 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
them standing on their leads. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron VE8RT Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:48 PM To: d...@w3fpr.com Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] securing toroids in K2, wh

Re: [Elecraft] securing toroids in K2, why not?

2011-07-02 Thread R Thompson
Hi Jim, I've worked on aircraft for over 30 years and know what engineers can do :-) There are many airworthiness directives issued after the engineers have finished their work. I'd better not get something started, as I really do appreciate the work of the engineers. More field experience w

Re: [Elecraft] securing toroids in K2, why not?

2011-07-02 Thread Jim Campbell
Reminds me of a story that I heard years ago while on an assignment in England. Seems that the Rolls Royce company didn't have an automatic transmission in their cars. Since automatic transmissions were the up-and-coming thing they decided that they needed one to offer in the Roolls Royce. R

Re: [Elecraft] securing toroids in K2, why not?

2011-07-02 Thread R Thompson
Thanks Don, good point on the LCR meter, it measures values at 1KHz. The remaining coils are being installed as per the manual. I service avionics for living, the better gear has conformal coated boards. The coating is very thin, applied as an aerosol, and hasn't been a problem for re

Re: [Elecraft] securing toroids in K2, why not?

2011-07-02 Thread Don Wilhelm
Ron, Forget the LCR meter with the K2 kit - other than to evaluate the effects of various "fixatives" for toroids. Wind the toroids with the number of turns specified and all will be OK. As far as conformal coating, again, it makes repair or rework a "pain" - but if you insist ... What I can

Re: [Elecraft] securing toroids in K2, why not?

2011-07-02 Thread Ron VE8RT
Thanks Don, I've received a few helpful responses already, which I appreciate. I could do without the RTV, except I like it at RFC14 because its jammed into a tight space, and as you mentioned, its a RF choke which wouldn't be critical. For a very long time conformal coating has

Re: [Elecraft] securing toroids in K2, why not?

2011-07-02 Thread Don Wilhelm
Ron, I suggest that you indeed do that. Actually on RFC14 it will likely make little difference because the exact inductance is not critical, but once the RTV hardens, you will have a bear of a time getting it off should it ever need replacement. Do not use any fixatives on any more of the

[Elecraft] securing toroids in K2, why not?

2011-07-02 Thread R Thompson
I just installed the first toroid, RFC14, in my K2 kit. After winding it, I sprayed it with conformal coating, and just before installing it I put a small dab of RTV3145 (non-corrosive) silicone seal on the end next to the PC board and then soldered it in place. So I turn the page in th