Re: [EM] corrctions to older psts re IRV public election data

2005-11-11 Thread Scott Ritchie
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 21:35 -0500, Warren Smith wrote: > Arguably STV multiwinner electiosn are still of interest for single-winner > purposes since the FIRST winner is a single-winner IRV winner. Not really. Consider the following: 300 voters, 2 winners (Droop quota of 101) 101 A 99 B, C 100 C

[EM] corrctions to older psts re IRV public election data

2005-11-11 Thread Warren Smith
Arguably STV multiwinner electiosn are still of interest for single-winner purposes since the FIRST winner is a single-winner IRV winner. Gilmour is correct (I am happy to now learn) that Ireland is now posting full vote lists in some (all?) STV elections on the www. I grabbed the Dublin country

Re: [EM] UC davis STV election data - not very useful, actually

2005-11-11 Thread Scott Ritchie
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:08 -0500, Joseph Malkevitch wrote: > Dear Scott, > > You wrote: > > Also note that it is an NP-complete problem to figure > > out if the election was non-monotonic from the voting data in the first > > place. > > > The way I use the term non-monotonic it refers to an elec

[EM] Why study only public election proposals?

2005-11-11 Thread Simmons, Forest
There are many uses for election methods besides public election proposals. They are used in various sports contexts, pattern recognition software, search engines, etc.Cross fertilization between disciplines is one of the greatest stimulants of progress. When the Cartesian coordinate syste

Re: [EM] another lottery method

2005-11-11 Thread Simmons, Forest
Paul Kislanko asked ... Why introduce "majority dense" and not use that? Forest answers: 1. Because it wasn't necessary for the purpose of my message, which was to nudge readers out of their mental ruts. 2. Is the introducer the only one who can use an idea? Paul went on to ask ... H

Re: [EM] UC davis STV election data - not very useful, actually

2005-11-11 Thread James Gilmour
> Warren Smith Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 9:09 PM > I do not understand why these elections are of interest to > single-winner voting researchers. Two reasons for my > non-interest: 1. they are multiwiner elections. 2. Assuming > one of these is an interesting election, we are unable to

Re: [EM] UC davis STV election data - not very useful, actually

2005-11-11 Thread Warren Smith
yes, I'd be interesed in yor IR presidential election data etc. election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] UC davis STV election data - not very useful, actually

2005-11-11 Thread Scott Ritchie
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 16:09 -0500, Warren Smith wrote: > http://davischoicevoting.org/index.php?page=asucd > > So far there have been 4 elections. > Each is a multiwinner election (e.g. the latest was 8 winners and 23 > candidates) > apparently run with reweighted STV voting. > > Each has a repo

Re: [EM] Some answers to "1-person-1-vote"

2005-11-11 Thread Scott Ritchie
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 20:57 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > The flaw in what Mr. Ritchie wrote was the assumption that, in > cumulative voting, every voter gets the same number of votes. With > that assumption, *of course* cumulative voting does not violate the > 1p1v principle. But cumulati

[EM] UC davis STV election data - not very useful, actually

2005-11-11 Thread Warren Smith
http://davischoicevoting.org/index.php?page=asucd So far there have been 4 elections. Each is a multiwinner election (e.g. the latest was 8 winners and 23 candidates) apparently run with reweighted STV voting. Each has a report about it with lots of charts and graphs. Each has had between 2447 an

Re: [EM] Anonymity & Neutrality. Results criteria & rules criteria.

2005-11-11 Thread Chris Benham
MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: I probably haven't seen the official definition of Anonymity, but it goes something like this: The same ways of voting must be available to all voters. For any configuration of voted ballots, it shouldn't make any difference which person voted which ballot. [end of