Re: [EM] Javascript matrix/bar chart generator

2005-11-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
Very cool! I notice that there's no explicit redistribution license listed on these files. Are you planning on licensing them for use in open source software (e.g. Electowidget)? Rob On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 20:44 -0800, rob brown wrote: > I made a start at some stuff to do improved output for con

[EM] Javascript matrix/bar chart generator

2005-11-29 Thread rob brown
I made a start at some stuff to do improved output for condorcet election results.  http://karmatics.com/voting/testharness.html There is no server component to this, so if you want to play with it you can download the files to your computer, edit them to your heart's content and it will all work

[EM] Condorcet cycle and FBLE probabilities... serious & instructive error; slick example

2005-11-29 Thread Warren Smith
Unfortunately I recently discovered an important error I made which has contaminated a number of claims by me about Condorcet cycles. This error and its fix are both very instructive. Here it is. Assume there are V voters, V large, each of whom cast any of the 6 possible votes ABC, BAC, ACB, BCA

Re: [EM] thoughts on the pairwise matrix

2005-11-29 Thread Paul Kislanko
> Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > At 01:32 PM 11/29/2005, Paul Kislanko wrote: > >I actually have no method. But "Condorcet ballots" is an > ambiguous term as > >used in the reply to me. I actualy suggested that there BE a > well-defined CB > >such that for each pair of choices I vote "A, B, Either, or

Re: [EM] thoughts on the pairwise matrix

2005-11-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:32 PM 11/29/2005, Paul Kislanko wrote: >I actually have no method. But "Condorcet ballots" is an ambiguous term as >used in the reply to me. I actualy suggested that there BE a well-defined CB >such that for each pair of choices I vote "A, B, Either, or Neither". Then >the matrix can be guara

Re: [EM] thoughts on the pairwise matrix

2005-11-29 Thread Paul Kislanko
> -Original Message- > From: Andrew Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:11 PM > To: Paul Kislanko > Cc: election-methods@electorama.com > Subject: Re: [EM] thoughts on the pairwise matrix > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 06:41:34PM -0600, Paul Kislanko wrote

Re: [EM] thoughts on the pairwise matrix

2005-11-29 Thread Andrew Myers
On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 06:41:34PM -0600, Paul Kislanko wrote: > I don't have to support my argument, since I am asking for those who claim > Condorcet methods are "better" to support the claim that those methods are > "like" Nx(N-1)/2 different elections. They are not, unless I get to make > Nx(N-

Re: [EM] thoughts on the pairwise matrix

2005-11-29 Thread Paul Kislanko
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Ketchum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:33 PM > To: Paul Kislanko > Cc: 'rob brown'; election-methods@electorama.com > Subject: Re: [EM] thoughts on the pairwise matrix > > This one seems to identify the problem we have b

[EM] Fw: Instant Run-Off

2005-11-29 Thread Toplak Jurij
A collegue of mine is looking for an expert in IRV. I know there is many of them on this list... please contact her directly: Jennie Bowser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Program Principal, Legislative Management ProgramNational Conference of State Legislatures     Does anyone out there specialize in

Re: [EM] thoughts on the pairwise matrix

2005-11-29 Thread Paul Kislanko
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Ketchum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:34 PM > To: Paul Kislanko > Cc: 'Rob Brown'; election-methods@electorama.com > Subject: Re: [EM] thoughts on the pairwise matrix > > You are mixing two topics: No, actually I was o

Re: [EM] thoughts on the pairwise matrix

2005-11-29 Thread Paul Kislanko
> > I apologize if my comments came off as an attack. I am just > trying to > understand your complaint, and unfortunately I still don't. If you > don't want to address the question, then from my point of view, your > complaint doesn't make sense and I just have to consider it "proven" > no

Re: [EM] sample data?

2005-11-29 Thread Eric Gorr
Quoting rob brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Does anyone know any good sources for sample ballot/pairwise matrix data? I've got some at: http://www.ericgorr.net/library/tiki-index.php?page=BallotArchives election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

[EM] sample data?

2005-11-29 Thread rob brown
Does anyone know any good sources for sample ballot/pairwise matrix data?   I'm looking for both degenerate cases/extremes, as well as real/realistic data.  The more samples the better. I have something I wrote that generates "random" ballots by giving each candidate a random point in space (an x

Re: [EM] thoughts on the pairwise matrix

2005-11-29 Thread Dave Ketchum
This one seems to identify the problem we have been stumbling over, though not doing much for a fix: We have a method called Condorcet with its way of expressing ranking, producing an array of intermediate results, and determining a winner. You prefer a method that starts with different voting.