Re: [EM] election-methods Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4

2006-01-15 Thread Dave Ketchum
As I wrote before, if the laws and bylaws so direct, neutrality should be votable by abstaining. Provided the laws permit, an association could tailor its bylaws as its members choose. Also see below. On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:51:29 +1100 Dharmadeva wrote: > So if in a legislature there are 60 me

Re: [EM] election-methods Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4

2006-01-15 Thread Dave Ketchum
Robert's Rules is now in its 10th (2000) edition. DWK On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:55:22 -0500 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 09:28 PM 1/14/2006, PROUT - Progressive Utilisation wrote: > >>The context is simply that there are say 60 people in a room - all present - >>and all entitled to vote. All ar

Re: [EM] election-methods Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4

2006-01-15 Thread Dave Ketchum
As I wrote before, if the laws and bylaws so direct, neutrality should be votable by abstaining. Provided the laws permit, an association could tailor its bylaws as its members choose. Also see below. On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:51:29 +1100 Dharmadeva wrote: > So if in a legislature there are 60 me

Re: [EM] election-methods Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4

2006-01-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:28 PM 1/14/2006, PROUT - Progressive Utilisation wrote: >The context is simply that there are say 60 people in a room - all present - >and all entitled to vote. All are members of an organisation or association. > >30 abstain >20 vote yes >10 vote no > >I believe as they are all entitled to v

Re: [EM] election-methods Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4

2006-01-15 Thread Paul Kislanko
> In the legislatures (parliaments) that I am familiar with, if > members want to > abstain from a formal vote count, they have to leave the chamber. > > In these formal vote counts (divisions), all those voting one > way move to one side > of the chamber, those coting the other way move to the

Re: [EM] election-methods Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4

2006-01-15 Thread Anthony Duff
In the legislatures (parliaments) that I am familiar with, if members want to abstain from a formal vote count, they have to leave the chamber. In these formal vote counts (divisions), all those voting one way move to one side of the chamber, those coting the other way move to the opposite side.

Re: [EM] election-methods Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4

2006-01-15 Thread James Gilmour
> PROUT - Progressive Utilisation Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:28 AM > The context is simply that there are say 60 people in a room > - all present - and all entitled to vote. All are members of > an organisation or association. > > 30 abstain > 20 vote yes > 10 vote no > > I believe as the

Re: [EM] election-methods Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4

2006-01-15 Thread Dharmadeva
So if in a legislature there are 60 members and 30 abstain and only 20 vote yes, then the new laws should be considered as passed. Sounds dangerous to me. :-Original Message- :From: Scott Ritchie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2006 8:24 PM :To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Cc

Re: [EM] election-methods Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4

2006-01-15 Thread Scott Ritchie
On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 23:00 -0800, Dave Ketchum wrote: > Robert's Rules is worth a review, for it discusses various choices and > explains why some are smarter than others. > > Here, with the problem as presented, Robert's recommends ignoring the > abstentions and declaring a win by the ayes. A