Re: [EM] Real IRV Election, Disputable Result

2006-03-13 Thread James Gilmour
Jan Kok Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:07 AM Yes, I agree that the election rules affect how people vote. But, unsophisticated IRV supporters are not aware that there can be incentives to vote insincerely in IRV elections, or may believe that IRV and Condorcet will always, or almost

Re: [EM] Real IRV Election, Disputable Result

2006-03-13 Thread Eric Gorr
James Gilmour wrote: Jan Kok Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:07 AM Yes, I agree that the election rules affect how people vote. But, unsophisticated IRV supporters are not aware that there can be incentives to vote insincerely in IRV elections, or may believe that IRV and Condorcet will

Re: [EM] Real IRV Election, Disputable Result

2006-03-13 Thread James Gilmour
Eric Gorr Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:31 PM James Gilmour wrote: Jan Kok Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:07 AM Yes, I agree that the election rules affect how people vote. But, unsophisticated IRV supporters are not aware that there can be incentives to vote insincerely in IRV

Re: [EM] Real IRV Election, Disputable Result

2006-03-13 Thread Eric Gorr
Quoting James Gilmour [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Eric Gorr Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:31 PM James Gilmour wrote: Jan Kok Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:07 AM Yes, I agree that the election rules affect how people vote. But, unsophisticated IRV supporters are not aware that there can be

Re: [EM] Real IRV Election, Disputable Result

2006-03-13 Thread Jonathan Lundell
At 9:06 PM -0700 3/12/06, Jan Kok wrote: When I counted Kiss vs. Miller 4755 to 3988, I didn't count any of the Kiss=Miller votes. I just now checked one of my intermediate data files and saw that there were 13 ballots that ranked Kiss=Miller(=others sometimes). If you want to give each 1/2

[EM] Real IRV Election, Disputable Result

2006-03-13 Thread radio deli
Dear Jan, I saw your post on the Elections Methods List. As a Vermont legislator, we may have to decide the issue of IRV on a statewide basis.To be honest, I'm not very enthusiastic about IRV. I would prefer to support the candidate (not plural) of my choice, and if a runoff must occur

Re: [EM] Real IRV Election, Disputable Result

2006-03-13 Thread Jonathan Lundell
At 11:25 PM -0800 3/10/06, Rob LeGrand wrote: I took the raw data from the site Brian Olson posted and ended up with a slightly different pairwise table: (0) (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (0)- 5545 6747 3991 6790 7336 (1) 3556- 5165 3397 5136 5875 (2) 1161 1289- 804 2028 3290 (3)

Re: [EM] Real IRV Election, Disputable Result

2006-03-13 Thread Jonathan Lundell
At 11:28 AM -0500 3/12/06, radio deli wrote: I saw your post on the Elections Methods List. As a Vermont legislator, we may have to decide the issue of IRV on a statewide basis. To be honest, I'm not very enthusiastic about IRV. I would prefer to support the candidate (not plural) of my

Re: [EM] Real IRV Election, Disputable Result

2006-03-13 Thread Dave Ketchum
BTW - it took more than a day for EM to pass this on to where I could see it. Delighted to have a Rep. take an interest - too much of the time all that happens here is debate as to theory. On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:28:48 -0500 radio deli wrote: Dear Jan, I saw your post on the Elections