[EM] RE : Re: Credentials?

2007-01-17 Thread Kevin Venzke
--- "Brandon J. Van Every" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > I Googled randomly for something, and the title seemed > reasonable. > > This kind of back-and-forth has convinced me that your list has no value > whatsoever. I'm unsubscribing. I suggest you go to a moderated format > and put a muzzl

[EM] GSA

2007-01-17 Thread Forest W Simmons
This method is based on ranked ballots that (at least) allow truncation. The candidate with the fewest truncations (i.e. the one that is ranked on the greatest number of ballots) is designated c0. Let c1 be the candidate (among those that cover c0) against which c0 scores the smallest oppositio

[EM] more of the unbiased apportionment method potpourri

2007-01-17 Thread Warren Smith
are now derived in the (updated) http://rangevoting.org/NewAppo.html interestingly, the Huntington-Hill method is expressible as an exactly "unbiased" method in a model exceedingly similar to Ossipoff's (see alternative method 3). Warren D Smith http://rangevoting.org election-methods mailin

[EM] apportionment and some random Ossipoffness

2007-01-17 Thread Warren Smith
My "credentials" as a "professor" have been attacked. I am not a professor and do not recall claiming to be one. However in many ways I resemble a professor: I do have a math PhD from Princeton, I have written and published a lot of math papers, I worked for various research places for a lot of ye

Re: [EM] Credentials?

2007-01-17 Thread Brandon J. Van Every
MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: > I'd like to comment one more time on the claim that Warren is a professor. > Have you noticed who's been making all the errors and mis-statements? The > professor's posting about Bias-Free consisted of nothing else. The professor > also was unable to follow an explicit ins

[EM] Correction: AR doesn't need improvement. AR is the best method.

2007-01-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Though Adjusted-Rounding is a little more work to count than my other proposals, its other advantages make it the best apportionment proposal. AR is closer to the other divisor methods than CW is. The method is applied directly to the states. It differs from the other divisor methods only in

[EM] Part 2, Aha, now l understand Ossipoff...

2007-01-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Warren said: Now let us ask, what if we assume exponential not uniform distribution - which has the advantage of being self-similar, and with no high-cutoff necessary, causing the formula we shall get to be valid everywhere - and ask for y so that integral(from A to y) (1-A/x)*exp(-K*x) dx

Re: [EM] Aha, now I understand Ossipoff...

2007-01-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Warren said: Hmm, oddly enough, this formula actually works despite my "proof" last post based on number theory that it could not. How can that be? Because the two rational functions in the two integrands are not the same, that is why (my sanity check had assumed they were the same!). I rep

[EM] Credentials?

2007-01-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I'd like to comment one more time on the claim that Warren is a professor. Have you noticed who's been making all the errors and mis-statements? The professor's posting about Bias-Free consisted of nothing else. The professor also was unable to follow an explicit instruction for a derivation us

[EM] Where BF assumes uniform distribution

2007-01-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Actually Bias-Free does not assume uniform probability density over the entire range of populatiosn. It only assumes it within each cycle. Even if the probability density varies drastically over the whole range of populations, BF's assumption is good if the variation isn't too great within ea

[EM] Bias-Free, contd.

2007-01-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Warren says that "cycle" is not a good name for an interval between two whole numbers of quotas. He hasn't said why. The function s(q) is a step function. Looking at it, you might wonder why Warren objects to "cycle". By making cycles' s/q as close as possible to 1, BF eliminates bias, as de

[EM] Bias-Free, contd.

2007-01-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Warren "proved" that Bias-Free couldn't be, and then admitted that he'd made an error. He'd made a fool of himself, just as he did when he kept saying that BF had to be "bogus" because the formula didn't look right toi him, and because he couldn't derive it, even though the derivation had been

[EM] How unfair is distribution-caused bias?

2007-01-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I prefer that an apportionment result have little or no correlation between q and s/q. And CW & AR achieve that. (Well, AR might need a little improvement, but it's potentially the best method). BF is unbiased if the state-size frequency distribution is uniform. With the existing distribuiton,

[EM] Bias-Free

2007-01-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I don't have time to reply to Warren's long, rambling rants. So I I don't reply to something Warren said, that doesn't mean that he's said something irrefutable. It just means that I don't have the time. I will, however, be kind and generous enough to comment on a few of his statements. Warr

[EM] Part 2, Bias-Free reply

2007-01-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Warren said that I haven't defined bias. Well, I've repeatedly said that a good starting definitioin of bias is that which, in PR, would give small parties incentive to coalesce, or large parties incentive to split, in order to maximize their s/q. Someone with nothing better to do might quibble