Re: [EM] voting system design puzzle

2007-01-19 Thread Forest W Simmons
MCA satisfies both conditions (clone free and avoidance of favorite betrayal). It does use range style ballots, but it elects the candidate with the greatest median rating. If there are several candidates tied for greatest median rating, it elects the one with the greatest number of ballots th

[EM] Hay Voting

2007-01-19 Thread Peter de Blanc
Hi, last year, Marcello Herreshoff and I worked on a voting method which we called Hay Voting (after our friend Nick Hay). There's a description of the method online here: http://www.spaceandgames.com/?p=8 We wanted a voting method such that a voter's optimal strategy is to report his or her tru

Re: [EM] Noise (Was: Credentials?)

2007-01-19 Thread Ken Kuhlman
On 1/19/07, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 12:33 PM 1/19/2007, Ken Kuhlman wrote: > >Free speech may be messy, but it's better than selling our souls & > >bowing before a moderator czar. > > That's not the only possible solution. Indeed, the solution has been > known as in wide

[EM] apportionment, some replies to Ossip. and Malk.

2007-01-19 Thread Warren Smith
> O: I made no attack. I merely stated that B/(q+1) is a function that can approximate the density function of states over the range of populations. I don't claim it to be more than a rough approximation. --well, no. Non-normalizable "probability distributions" are not probability distribution

Re: [EM] Noise (Was: Credentials?)

2007-01-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:33 PM 1/19/2007, Ken Kuhlman wrote: >Do you find it at all ironic to be recommending the establishment of >a dictator >to solve the problems of a group dedicated to promoting democracy & >election methods? I did, and I wrote to him. >Free speech may be messy, but it's better than selling o

[EM] Warren: Your method

2007-01-19 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Where a & b are 2 consecutive ingegers, Jefferson, having b as its rounding point is very large-biased, and Adams, with a as its rounding point, is very small-biased. So it stands to reason that there's some roundng p;oint inbetween that is unbiased. But how could it be? Bias-Free's roiunding

[EM] A good way to fit B/(q+A) to state density function

2007-01-19 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Fit the definite integral, from 0 to Q (where Q is a particular state's q) of B/(q+A) to the data points consisting of the states' q and their cumulative numbers. The smallest state's cumulative number is 1. The 2nd smallest state's cumutive number is 2. That is, fit B*ln(Q/A+1) to the data po

Re: [EM] Noise (Was: Credentials?)

2007-01-19 Thread Ken Kuhlman
> >> --- "Brandon J. Van Every" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit: > >>> > >>> This kind of back-and-forth has convinced me that your list has no value > >>> whatsoever. I'm unsubscribing. I suggest you go to a moderated format > >>> and put a muzzle on people who are precipitating this kind of nonsens

[EM] Apportionment

2007-01-19 Thread Joseph Malkevitch
Dear Elections List, Some comments about apportionment. 1. The major contribution of E.V. Huntington to the study of apportionment methods was to call attention to fairness questions with regard to moving one seat assigned to some state to another state. This led him to study "divisor met

[EM] Clearinlg up an ambiguity in CW's in-cycle apportionment

2007-01-19 Thread Michael Ossipoff
I've tried several wordings for CW's in-cycle apportionment. I was using an unambiguous wording, but it was long. I shortened it, but introduced ambiguity. But here's a brief but unambiguous wording: Each cycle's seats are given to its states in such a way that no state in that cycle recieves f

[EM] Clearing up an ambiguity in the detailed instruction

2007-01-19 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Ironically the definition of Adjusted-Rounding that I've been posting since I first described it, the very brief definition, is complete, and my "detailed instruction" has an ambiguity: The brief definition says that AR is a divisor method, differing from the others in that, instead of having a

[EM] Ossipoff-Smith had better not be Adjusted-Rounding.

2007-01-19 Thread Michael Ossipoff
In a recent posting, you implied that Adjusted-Rounding is not independent of the distribution, and that you have a modification that is. That suggests that you're saying that Adjusted-Rounding is something other than the AR that I've defined, and that maybe your "modification" is, in fact, Ad

[EM] Part 1, More apportionment...

2007-01-19 Thread Michael Ossipoff
This Part 1 apparently didn't post, so I'm re-sending it (and necessarily re-writing it, since I didn't save it): Warren said: Ithe underlying theoretial attack is exactly that suggested by Mike Ossipoff for his "bias free Webster" method I reply: None of my 4 methods has that name. There are

[EM] typo

2007-01-19 Thread Michael Ossipoff
In a recent message, I said B/(q+1) when I meant B/(q+A). Mike Ossipoff election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

[EM] Part 4, More apportionment...

2007-01-19 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Warren said: Subjectively speaking, I do not see why the advantages that we can gain from going to this sort of method, are worth the cost of losing monotonicity (because such a loss seems based on the historical evidence to make a method politically unacceptable). I reply: I don't know whether

[EM] Part 3, More apportionment

2007-01-19 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Concerning Ossipoff's latest "AR" ("adjusted rounding") apportionment method, explained in his post titled "Detailed (but obvious) instructions for Adjusted-Rounding" it sounds interesting. To take a more abstract view of this: it seems to me that what you can accomplish with the idea of trea

[EM] Part 2, More apportionment...

2007-01-19 Thread Michael Ossipoff
I will say that generally, when such an attack is required, it is a symptom of rot in one's underlying model which it would be better to fix) I reply: I made no attack. I merely stated that B/(q+1) is a function that can approximate the density function of states over the range of populations