Re: [EM] possible improved IRV method

2006-06-29 Thread Eric Gorr
Allen Pulsifer wrote: > Going back to the example I gave, the Condorcet majority that elected D was > made up of everyone who did not rank A the highest, i.e., the Not A's, and > they all coalesced around D. In reality a coalition like that would never > happen and if it did, it could not be held

Re: [EM] possible improved IRV method

2006-06-28 Thread Eric Gorr
Allen Pulsifer wrote: > Getting back to Condorcet, there is a majority in each pair-wise comparison, > but for each pair, it is a different set of voters. There is no way, at the > end of the election, to go back and say "This is the majority that elected > the winner". > > In certain cases, Cond

Re: [EM] possible improved IRV method

2006-06-28 Thread Eric Gorr
Jonathan Lundell wrote: > At 5:12 PM -0500 6/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Quoting Jonathan Lundell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> >>> IRV's problem with ignoring later preferences and not always finding >>> a Condorcet winner is a direct consequence of the way it avoids >>> Condorcet's proble

[EM] Condorcet & Burying

2006-03-15 Thread Eric Gorr
Jonathan Lundell wrote: > What we want, it seems to me, is to be able to persuade the voter to > vote sincerely, and to do so honestly. The problem with burying is > that it's a both simple and relatively obvious, and in particular > elections might become widespread. Which is why voter educat

Re: [EM] Real IRV Election, Disputable Result

2006-03-14 Thread Eric Gorr
radio deli wrote: > What are the problems you see with IRV? Could you explain them in a way > that people without a statistics degree (like me) could comprehend? I > hope you have a chance to respond---you seem quite knowledgeable on the > topic! Here's a great commentary posted by Ralph Su

Re: [EM] Real IRV Election, Disputable Result

2006-03-13 Thread Eric Gorr
Quoting James Gilmour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Eric Gorr Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:31 PM >> James Gilmour wrote: >> > Jan Kok Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:07 AM >> >> Yes, I agree that the election rules affect how people vote. >> >> But, u

Re: [EM] Real IRV Election, Disputable Result

2006-03-13 Thread Eric Gorr
James Gilmour wrote: > Eric Gorr Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:31 PM >> James Gilmour wrote: >>> Jan Kok Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:07 AM >>>> Yes, I agree that the election rules affect how people vote. >>>> But, unsophisticated IRV supporters are no

Re: [EM] Real IRV Election, Disputable Result

2006-03-13 Thread Eric Gorr
James Gilmour wrote: > Jan Kok Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:07 AM >> Yes, I agree that the election rules affect how people vote. >> But, unsophisticated IRV supporters are not aware that there >> can be incentives to vote insincerely in IRV elections, or >> may believe that IRV and Condorcet

Re: [EM] proxies and confidentiality

2006-03-01 Thread Eric Gorr
Quoting Paul Kislanko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > (this is what has happened in the US over > the last 8 years to make the US the mockery of democracy). Aaarg...The United States ISN'T a democracy - at least not yet and let's hope it never truly becomes one. For more info, I might recommend reading:

Re: [EM] Rob Brown's "repair" of range voting

2005-12-07 Thread Eric Gorr
Quoting Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If everyone votes Range in a balanced way, sincerely after thoughtful > consideration, not exaggerating, you end up with an optimal election > method, actually. I believe it would only be optimal if the meanings of each ranking used by everyone i

Re: [EM] Voting puzzle page now available at CRV

2005-12-07 Thread Eric Gorr
Quoting Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > At 04:27 AM 12/7/2005, Scott Ritchie wrote: >> Please please PLEASE drop this requirement, and you might actually get >> some serious traffic to your site. This is really interesting, but >> there's no way I'm signing up for membership (or asking

Re: [EM] Fixing Range Voting

2005-12-06 Thread Eric Gorr
Quoting rob brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ok, I've made it pretty clear I am not a fan of Range Voting as it has been > presented. However, I could see it being done in a way that is fair and > does not encourage people to inadvertedly do something that is counter to > their interests. Just a gue

Re: [EM] sample data?

2005-11-29 Thread Eric Gorr
Quoting rob brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Does anyone know any good sources for sample ballot/pairwise matrix data? I've got some at: http://www.ericgorr.net/library/tiki-index.php?page=BallotArchives election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info