Re: [EM] Rob Lanphier's hierarchical scheme

2006-08-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Abd ul-Rahman, I realize I wasn't being fair to you on the applicability of Delegable Proxy (DP). I'll be referring to my system as "PH", for "proportional hierarchy". More inline: On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 23:23 -0400, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > But, it hit me, what if, instead of a fixed str

Re: [EM] democratic community, the web, implicit/explicit instant proxy

2006-08-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Brian, I think you're in the ballpark of understanding the problem I'm trying to solve. More below... On Sun, 2006-08-27 at 20:42 -0700, Brian Olson wrote: > I'm still hoping kos will let me use my > implementation of election methods in perl ( > http://bolson.org/voting/vote_util/perl/ )

Re: [EM] Proportional hierarchy

2006-08-23 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 23:14 -0400, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 09:55 PM 8/23/2006, Rob Lanphier wrote: > > >My solution would be to come up with a hierarchical filtering > >mechanism, where all users are placed (via election method described > >below) in small gro

[EM] Proportional hierarchy

2006-08-23 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi all, I've been mulling over an idea for a while, and I've finally taken the time to write it down. The problem that inspired me to think about this is my casual involvement at Daily Kos, which is a popular political discussion site. I find the sheer number of diaries and comments positively o

[EM] Challenging the "instant runoff" name (and "instant playoff voting")

2006-06-19 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi all, The reason why the naming of "instant runoff voting" is such appealing marketing is because it paints a false picture. I think people often think they are getting the equivalent of a hierarchical tournament when they advocate IRV. Take the Tennessee example here: http://en.wikipedia.org/

Re: [EM] IRV vs Condorcet - a challenge

2006-06-19 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Dave, I think you're right that examples like the version you constructed need to be pointed out. A similar breakdown occurs in the "Tennessee example" on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_different_voting_systems_under_similar_circumstances In both examples, the second-to-la

Re: [EM] Invitation for anyone to copy, web-post, or distribute my articles &/or postings

2006-05-11 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 17:10 -0500, Paul Kislanko wrote: > > Most other signatories implemented that part of the Berne Convention > > well before the USA did, given that the original Convention was signed > > in _18_86. > > I cited only US Copyright Law. And you quoted my copyrighted text without >

[EM] Policy change: non-subscriber mails automatically rejected

2006-04-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi all, As some of you may be aware, we've had a policy of only allowing subscriber emails to automatically pass through to the list. However, for non-subscribers, we've held those posts for review. In the past, the ratio was something like 100 spams per 1 legitimate email. Pretty bad, but mana

Re: [EM] Upgrading wiki.electorama.com

2005-12-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 18:03 -0800, Rob Lanphier wrote: > I'm upgrading wiki.electorama.com tonight, so there's going to be some > downtime, starting very soon. I should be done fooling with it later > tonight. Back online. Changes: 1. Upgraded from 1.4.11 to 1.5.3. This

[EM] Upgrading wiki.electorama.com

2005-12-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi folks, I'm upgrading wiki.electorama.com tonight, so there's going to be some downtime, starting very soon. I should be done fooling with it later tonight. Rob election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] Javascript matrix/bar chart generator

2005-11-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
Very cool! I notice that there's no explicit redistribution license listed on these files. Are you planning on licensing them for use in open source software (e.g. Electowidget)? Rob On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 20:44 -0800, rob brown wrote: > I made a start at some stuff to do improved output for con

Re: [EM] "scored condorcet", etc

2005-11-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 20:34 +, Rob Brown wrote: > Kevin Venzke yahoo.fr> writes: > > Beatpath(wv) satisfies clone independence, monotonicity, > > plurality, minimal defense, Condorcet Loser, Local IIA, > > always elects from Schwartz, always elects from the CDTT.. > > It'll be very hard to mee

Re: [EM] simple question (I think)

2005-11-16 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 17:59 -0800, rob brown wrote: > I was confusing a Condorcet tie with a tie for the number of pairwise > victories. I blame this article for my confusion :) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copeland%27s_method > ... where it seems to imply that they are the same thing ("This

Re: [EM] Why study only public election proposals?

2005-11-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 16:50 -0800, Simmons, Forest wrote: > There are many uses for election methods besides public election > proposals. They are used in various sports contexts, pattern > recognition software, search engines, etc. [...] If you want to stay > in your tiny little public proposal

Re: [EM] debian leader elections 2001-2005

2005-11-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
I've modified Electowidget and deployed on wikitest. Changes: * Fixed plurality bugs * Spiffed up output of methods with single dimensional score arrays (plurality, IRV, Range, Approval) * Added average rating to Range detailed output These changes will be in the next version of Electowidget.

Re: [EM] Single winner poll conducted using Electowidget

2005-11-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Kevin, Thanks for the feedback. Comments below: On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 17:10 +0100, Kevin Venzke wrote: > I voted. I don't quite understand the pairwise matrix. If the method > is Schulze(wv), how can there be negative numbers in it? That was a minor tweak I made to make debugging easier. By

Re: [EM] electowidget/robla

2005-11-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 10:16 -0500, Warren Smith wrote: > --suggestion: > As both a test of your software, and as a public service and help to me, > could you run all the Debian elections using all (or at least a lot of) > methods? > Hyperlinks to the debian elections at > http://math.temple.e

Re: [EM] electowidget

2005-11-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Warren, Thanks for checking it out. Comments inline. On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 15:22 -0500, Warren Smith wrote: > first, it wants me to "log in" which I do not know how to do, in > order to vote. There's a couple of places where you might see that text. One was already a hyperlink, the other wa

[EM] Single winner poll conducted using Electowidget

2005-10-31 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi folks, I'm trying to run a single-winner poll using Electowidget, and I'm hoping you can help in constructing the poll. Here's the poll: http://wikitest.electorama.com/wiki/Election:Method_support_poll You'll need to log into the wiki to vote. If you have an account on Electowiki, it was pro

[EM] Announcing Electowidget 0.1.0

2005-10-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi folks, I'm proud to announce the first release of Electowidget, a plugin for MediaWiki: http://electorama.com/electowidget Electowidget is designed to be an extremely flexible framework for implementing many different web-based ballot designs, election tallying methods, and output formats. S

[EM] The essense of pairwise voting (Re: What SFC & SDSC mean for rank methods)

2005-10-23 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, 2005-10-23 at 17:36 -0500, Paul Kislanko wrote: > My "discomfort" (can't quite call it a criticism) with any method that > counts votes using the pairwise matrix is that my "A (1st) > B (5th)" vote > in a 4-way race is negated by some other voter's "B (fourth) > A (fifth)" > vote. Neither o

[EM] Renaming SFC

2005-10-17 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 02:11 +, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: > It's been suggested that SFC should have a different name. I wouldn't want > to rename it now, becuse it's already known by the name SFC. But what would > be another good name?: > > Condorcet's Criterion for Plausible Opponents (CCPO) >

[EM] Trying to define "Later-no-harm for viable candidates criterion" (Re: full rankings, voter desire for)

2005-10-16 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 22:47 +0200, Kevin Venzke wrote: > I don't know of a way to weaken LNHarm which would still result in a guarantee > that voters could "take to the bank." My hope would be that we can come up with a system where voters could feel comfortable ranking all but one of the viable c

Re: [EM] full rankings, voter desire for

2005-10-16 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Kevin, Thanks for the reply. I'll have to think about some elements of your mail, but there are pieces I want to respond to right away. On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 05:55 +0200, Kevin Venzke wrote: > --- Rob Lanphier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > > Here's a related s

Re: [EM] full rankings, voter desire for

2005-10-15 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 10:58 -0400, Warren Smith wrote: > I did not say voters always want full rankings. > > What I said was, I think there is a substantial SUBCLASS of elections, > in which, all voters (except perhaps for a few who are insane or writing > illegible ballots or something random lik

[EM] Correction (Re: TeX math markup supported on Electowiki (Re: bug in electowiki))

2005-10-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 11:30 -0700, Rob Lanphier wrote: > On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 11:38 -0400, Warren Smith wrote: > > I edited the > > http://wiki.electorama.com/wiki/Instant_Runoff_Normalized_Ratings > > page, but this revealed a bug - installer falied to install Te

[EM] TeX math markup supported on Electowiki (Re: bug in electowiki)

2005-10-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 11:38 -0400, Warren Smith wrote: > I edited the http://wiki.electorama.com/wiki/Instant_Runoff_Normalized_Ratings > page, but this revealed a bug - installer falied to install TeX - see said > URL. We're all in luck. Previously, I hadn't set up TeX support because it promis