[EM] RE : Re: A few concluding points about SFC, CC, method choice, etc.

2007-02-20 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, This post is just about criteria generally. --- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : At 10:52 AM 2/19/2007, Kevin Venzke wrote: --- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Election criteria sometimes presume omniscience. For example, the Majority Criterion is based

[EM] RE : Re: A few concluding points about SFC, CC, method choice, etc.

2007-02-19 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, --- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : At 06:15 PM 2/16/2007, Kevin Venzke wrote: Hm? Maximum utility meaning matches the SU winner perfectly or matches the SU winner the best among methods that actually exist? In the former case it's not clear this method actually exists.

Re: [EM] RE : Re: A few concluding points about SFC, CC, method choice, etc.

2007-02-19 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:52:08 +0100 (CET) Kevin Venzke wrote: Hi, --- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : At 06:15 PM 2/16/2007, Kevin Venzke wrote: ... Nope. But you see that your criticism of Condorcet also applies to EUC. If voters don't vote strategically, then it can

Re: [EM] RE : Re: A few concluding points about SFC, CC, method choice, etc.

2007-02-19 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:52 AM 2/19/2007, Kevin Venzke wrote: --- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Election criteria sometimes presume omniscience. For example, the Majority Criterion is based upon voter preferences that may not be expressed, or even expressable, in the votes. Prefer, as it was

Re: [EM] RE : Re: A few concluding points about SFC, CC, method choice, etc.

2007-02-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:15 PM 2/16/2007, Kevin Venzke wrote: Hm? Maximum utility meaning matches the SU winner perfectly or matches the SU winner the best among methods that actually exist? In the former case it's not clear this method actually exists. In the latter case I'd guess that you shouldn't guarantee

Re: [EM] RE : Re: A few concluding points about SFC, CC, method choice, etc.

2007-02-17 Thread Juho
On Feb 15, 2007, at 23:29 , Kevin Venzke wrote: --- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Thus, we conclude, the Condorcet Criterion *must* be violated in some elections by an optimal method, and thus this theoretical optimum method must fail the criterion and others similar to it,

[EM] RE : Re: A few concluding points about SFC, CC, method choice, etc.

2007-02-15 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, --- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : then Range still fails SFC, and it is easy to construct scenarios where it does so by choosing a winner who is clearly better for society and for the members of society individually, than the Condorcet winner. This is because of

Re: [EM] RE : Re: A few concluding points about SFC, CC, method choice, etc.

2007-02-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:29 PM 2/15/2007, Kevin Venzke wrote: I would guess that most of our criteria *do* coincide with higher utility. All things being equal you couldn't expect that a method that fails majority favorite would produce higher utility. I'm not sure what all things being equal means, particularly