Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

Dear Doreen Dotan, I have just written a paper about all those types of vote management strategies. See section 4 of this paper: http://home.versanet.de/~chris1-schulze/schulze2.pdf Markus Schulze election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

Doreen Dotan wrote: > */[EMAIL PROTECTED] > /* > > Antonio jwrote: > > >STV was a half-hearted attempt to fix a broken system, SNTV. > > In learning a bit about SNTV I came across this curious factoid: "The > New Party

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Antonio jwrote:    >STV was a half-hearted attempt to fix a broken system, SNTV.   In learning a bit about SNTV I came across this curious factoid: "The New Party (of Taiwan, my parentheses) had a surprisingly effective system by asking party supporters to vote for the c

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello, Antonio.>I've never really been a fan of STV-PR...I'd prefer Simmons PAV method, but that has practically no recongnition worldwide, despite it's obvious merits. For one, unlike STV affecting the amount of candidates that your party runs won't mean you win more or

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

At 07:46 PM 4/26/2006, Antonio Oneala wrote: >STV-PR is the best hope for a politically feasible option at the >moment, but I'm trying to say that PAV would most likely do a better >job. PAV is a rather esotric system invented just 5 years ago, >though, which is why it has no hope right now. A

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

James Gilmour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Antonio Oneala> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:13 AM You said: > I've never really been a fan of STV-PR. It's still a system > that's not independent of irrelevant alternatives, so in most > states it squeezes out third parties and moderates, unle

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

> Antonio Oneala> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:13 AM You said: > I've never really been a fan of STV-PR. It's still a system > that's not independent of irrelevant alternatives, so in most > states it squeezes out third parties and moderates, unless > you expand the districts to an enormous

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

James Gilmour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Antonio Oneala> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:04 PM> Besides that fact that practically every country that has > used STV has boiled down to a more or less two-party system?Would you care to list the countries and states around the world that use ST

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

> Antonio Oneala> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:04 PM > Besides that fact that practically every country that has > used STV has boiled down to a more or less two-party system? Would you care to list the countries and states around the world that use STV-PR together with the numbers of pa

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

Antonio Oneala wrote: > > */James Gilmour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > > Antonio Oneala> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:08 AM > > > I've never really been a fan of STV-PR. It's still a system > > that's not independent of irrelevant alternatives, so in most > > states i

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

James Gilmour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Antonio Oneala> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:08 AM> I've never really been a fan of STV-PR. It's still a system > that's not independent of irrelevant alternatives, so in most > states it squeezes out third parties and moderates, unless > you expand t

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

> Antonio Oneala> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:08 AM > I've never really been a fan of STV-PR. It's still a system > that's not independent of irrelevant alternatives, so in most > states it squeezes out third parties and moderates, unless > you expand the districts to an enormous size On

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

James Gilmour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doreen Dotan Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 2:42 PM> 1) To separate the party lists we presently vote for into > regional slates and a general list thus: > > Divide the country into 40 election districts with 2 > representatives for each district. Representa

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

On 4/23/06, James Gilmour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Jan Kok Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:33 AM > > > > MMP = mixed member proportional? Which I believe is used in > > New Zealand also. > > Yes, MMP = Mixed Member Proportional (voting system), which we in the UK call > "AMS" = Addit

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

> From: Jan Kok Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:33 AM > > MMP = mixed member proportional? Which I believe is used in > New Zealand also. Yes, MMP = Mixed Member Proportional (voting system), which we in the UK call "AMS" = Additional Member System. > What is the "trouble" that you have with

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

James Gilmour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi, James:   I would NOT recommend any voting system that elected the members in two such different ways.   I anticipated that this would be the thrust of your reply.    It is a recipe forpotential trouble, particularly if the district representat

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

On 4/23/06, James Gilmour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Doreen Dotan Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 2:42 PM > > 1) To separate the party lists we presently vote for into > > regional slates and a general list thus: > > > > Divide the country into 40 election districts with 2 > > representatives for

Re: [EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

> Doreen Dotan Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 2:42 PM > 1) To separate the party lists we presently vote for into > regional slates and a general list thus: > > Divide the country into 40 election districts with 2 > representatives for each district. Representatives *must* be > residents of the

[EM] Amnon Rubinstein's Proposal for Electoral Reform in Israel

Hello, Everyone:   I'm resubmitting this as the day that I sent a page that says that my account cannot be accessed temporarily repeatedly came up.  The queery below and and my question as to how to access the archives both received no response. So, I assume they never arrived and I am trying aga