Re: [EM] Are proposed methods asymptotically aproaching some limit of utility?

2007-03-14 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:11 AM 3/14/2007, Kevin Venzke wrote: >But is this all about changing what we mean by the terms "strategic" >and "insincere"? Is that the point? As the terms apply to Range and Approval, yes. The usage came from use with ranked systems, where the behavior of the system and implications for

Re: [EM] Are proposed methods asymptotically aproaching some limit of utility?

2007-03-13 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, --- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > >I don't really mind if you want to define strategic voting out of > >existence. I don't think it sheds light on anything, though. > > Just because you can't see that light doesn't mean it doesn't exist. > > I have not defined strategic

Re: [EM] Are proposed methods asymptotically aproaching some limit of utility?

2007-03-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:44 PM 3/11/2007, Matthew Welland wrote: >Based on what I know now I would settle on Range Voting. However for a while >I was dead set on approval voting and before that I was advocating IRV. Is >Range Voting "satisficient" or are its flaws or limitations serious enough >that there are many sc

Re: [EM] Are proposed methods asymptotically aproaching some limit of utility?

2007-03-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:38 PM 3/11/2007, Juho wrote: >On Mar 11, 2007, at 18:44 , Matthew Welland wrote: >My current choice > > would be > > range voting. It is simple (only slightly harder to expain than > > approval) > > and it seems to do a good job at leaving voters satisfied. > >It offers some really nice prope

[EM] Are proposed methods asymptotically aproaching some limit of utility?

2007-03-12 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:44:32 -0700 Matthew Welland wrote: > I can't follow every thread but I'm starting to think that the search for > some perfect voting method is asymptotically approaching some sort of > limit. > > That doesn't mean that the pursuit isn't useful but there is an academic > p

Re: [EM] Are proposed methods asymptotically aproaching some limit of utility?

2007-03-11 Thread Juho
On Mar 11, 2007, at 18:44 , Matthew Welland wrote: > I can't follow every thread but I'm starting to think that the > search for > some perfect voting method is asymptotically approaching some sort of > limit. Theoretically that may be the truth. In practice I see many experts with often quit

[EM] Are proposed methods asymptotically aproaching some limit of utility?

2007-03-11 Thread Matthew Welland
I can't follow every thread but I'm starting to think that the search for some perfect voting method is asymptotically approaching some sort of limit. That doesn't mean that the pursuit isn't useful but there is an academic path and a pragmatic path. I want to know what to advocate in various