Re: [EM] Is there a criterion for identical voters casting identical ballots?

2006-12-18 Thread Dave Ketchum
Looking at the case where two voters see two candidates as about equally desirable: If one votes A>B, and the other B>A, we count '1' in each of the two preferences. But, in Condorcet, both could vote A=B: I have proposed giving the same count as above for, essentially, th

Re: [EM] Is there a criterion for identical voters casting identical ballots?

2006-12-17 Thread Juho
On Dec 18, 2006, at 8:31 , Dave Ketchum wrote: > How did we get here? > > You talk of a method in which ONE voter can say BOTH A>B AND B>A. > Yes, either in the sense that both lose to each others or in the sense that both win each others. > Assuming such a method could claim useful value to ju

Re: [EM] Is there a criterion for identical voters casting identical ballots?

2006-12-17 Thread Dave Ketchum
How did we get here? You talk of a method in which ONE voter can say BOTH A>B AND B>A. Assuming such a method could claim useful value to justify the headaches of implementing it and making it understood, I have seen nothing to suggest Condorcet might have such an ability. In Condorcet the

Re: [EM] Is there a criterion for identical voters casting identical ballots?

2006-12-17 Thread Juho
I thought mostly use scenarios where the favourite candidate is not involved in the cycles and the voters know very little about the anticipated results. Another example in this direction would be situation where there are n parties that each have 3 candidates. Voters would then vote so tha

Re: [EM] Is there a criterion for identical voters casting identical ballots?

2006-12-15 Thread Dave Ketchum
How did we get here? I assume no ties to simplify the discussion - not to change the rules. If there is a cycle, such as X>A>Y>X, A backers have no control as to X>A, but they can influence whether there is also a Y>X to create a cycle. Else, assuming more voters back X than A, A loses and it m

Re: [EM] Is there a criterion for identical voters casting identical ballots?

2006-12-14 Thread Juho
Here is one very basic case where a group of voters has identical preferences but they benefit of casting three different kind of ballots. In a Condorcet method there is an interest to create a loop to your opponents. In its simplest form there are four candidates. One of the candidates is o

Re: [EM] Is there a criterion for identical voters casting identical ballots?

2006-12-13 Thread Chris Benham
Scott Ritchie wrote: On Wed, 2006-12-13 at 21:06 +1030, Chris Benham wrote: Scott Ritchie wrote: I was thinking about corporate elections today, and how under some voting systems an individual would want to strategically vote by submitting multiple, different ballots. I soon realiz

Re: [EM] Is there a criterion for identical voters casting identical ballots?

2006-12-13 Thread Scott Ritchie
On Wed, 2006-12-13 at 21:06 +1030, Chris Benham wrote: > > Scott Ritchie wrote: > > >I was thinking about corporate elections today, and how under some > >voting systems an individual would want to strategically vote by > >submitting multiple, different ballots. I soon realized that this was > >

Re: [EM] Is there a criterion for identical voters casting identical ballots?

2006-12-13 Thread Chris Benham
Scott Ritchie wrote: >I was thinking about corporate elections today, and how under some >voting systems an individual would want to strategically vote by >submitting multiple, different ballots. I soon realized that this was >generalizable to multiple voters with identical preferences in any >

[EM] Is there a criterion for identical voters casting identical ballots?

2006-12-12 Thread Scott Ritchie
I was thinking about corporate elections today, and how under some voting systems an individual would want to strategically vote by submitting multiple, different ballots. I soon realized that this was generalizable to multiple voters with identical preferences in any election. Basically, somethi