Re: [EM] Three Stage Approval Election

2006-06-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:57 AM 6/8/2006, Dave Ketchum wrote: >On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:32:55 -0400 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: >[...] > >Your words show there are TWO views of complexity: > Ranked choice (IRV and Condorcet) have ballots that are messy > to count by hand - but we can program computers to do the wor

Re: [EM] Three Stage Approval Election

2006-06-07 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:32:55 -0400 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 02:37 AM 6/7/2006, Dave Ketchum wrote: > >> Is this trip necessary? > > > Yes. At least as necessary as any discussion of ideal election methods, > actual election methods, and possible intermediary steps. > >> I claim not, fo

Re: [EM] Three Stage Approval Election

2006-06-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:37 AM 6/7/2006, Dave Ketchum wrote: >Is this trip necessary? Yes. At least as necessary as any discussion of ideal election methods, actual election methods, and possible intermediary steps. >I claim not, for it is not up to competing with Condorcet - or even IRV, >which usually gets the r

Re: [EM] Three Stage Approval Election

2006-06-06 Thread Dave Ketchum
Is this trip necessary? I claim not, for it is not up to competing with Condorcet - or even IRV, which usually gets the right victor. Approval still has a basic weakness. Easy enough for Approval to be told acceptable vs unacceptable, but Approval has no way, even in this variation, for me to

Re: [EM] Three Stage Approval Election

2006-06-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I find this staging of polling for Approval interesting. It does allow for substantial refinement of voter understanding of the situation prior to casting their votes. It would also be exciting to watch. The hardest part to sell would be, however, the random selection of stage to determine

[EM] Three Stage Approval Election

2006-06-06 Thread Simmons, Forest
It's pretty obvious that under Approval you should approve your favorite candidate, and that you should leave unapproved the candidate that you despise the most. But it isn't always so obvious which of the remaining candidates to approve. A rule of thumb is to approve the candidate that you w