Re: [EM] What have I started?!

2007-01-22 Thread Jan Kok
On 1/22/07, Jan Kok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/22/07, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Converting Range to Approval, though, requires the specification of > > an Approval cutoff. Various cutoffs have been proposed. 50% is the > > obvious simplest one. This gets a lot clea

Re: [EM] What have I started?!

2007-01-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:38 AM 1/22/2007, Michael Ossipoff wrote: >How would we vote on how to vote, if we don't use the most recent method >that won? Yes/No votes don't require advanced election methods. Approval is unnecessary when we are voting Yes/No on a question. (Since overvoting the two possibilities is e

Re: [EM] What have I started?!

2007-01-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:38 AM 1/22/2007, Michael Ossipoff wrote: >Yes, it was years ago when Approval won here. But it's all we have to go on. >How would we vote on how to vote, if we don't use the most recent method >that won? The only other alternative, which I have nothing against, would be >to use "Voter's Choic

Re: [EM] What have I started?!

2007-01-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:53 AM 1/22/2007, Jan Kok wrote: >On 1/21/07, Michael Ossipoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How to vote? Range-Voting is ok for public elections, but it's no > good here, > > because strategizers will take advantage of sincere voters. The purpose, > > here, of RV would be to aggregate sin

Re: [EM] What have I started?!

2007-01-22 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Jan-- You wrote: ike, you're kidding, right? Not at all. You continue: On the ELECTION-METHODS mailing list, you think there would be people who would vote honestly, using less than the full range available, who would not realize that they would be giving up some voting power if they did tha

Re: [EM] What have I started?!

2007-01-22 Thread Jan Kok
On 1/21/07, Michael Ossipoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How to vote? Range-Voting is ok for public elections, but it's no good here, > because strategizers will take advantage of sincere voters. The purpose, > here, of RV would be to aggregate sincere ratings. But we won't be getting > sincere r

Re: [EM] What have I started?!

2007-01-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:29 AM 1/21/2007, Michael Ossipoff wrote: >I agree with the majority, who feel that we don't need Robert's Rules. We have never established that. Nor has anyone proposed Robert's Rules here. If it were proposed we could consider it. It was proposed at one time that formal process be used in

[EM] What have I started?!

2007-01-21 Thread Michael Ossipoff
By being the "bad-guy" again, as always, I caused a discussioni on how to deal with bad guys, which led into a meeting-procedure discussion. Though I'm the bad-guy, I'd like to add a few comments. I agree with the majority, who feel that we don't need Robert's Rules. We could devise a simple, m