Re: [EM] full rankings, voter desire for

2005-10-16 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:54 PM 10/15/2005, Chris Benham wrote: >Abd, >You wrote: > >>Note that if the method allows equal ranking, adding clones does >>not require additional ranks. >How on earth do you work that out? "Require" for what purpose? If a method does not allow equal ranking, and if full ranking is des

Re: [EM] full rankings, voter desire for

2005-10-16 Thread Kevin Venzke
Rob, --- Rob Lanphier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > > As Mike said, MMPO satisfies all three of these (and Sincere Favorite). > > But it fails SDSC (and minimal defense) and Plurality. > [...] > > Failing Plurality is > > probably not acceptable in a public election, since it makes the winner >

Re: [EM] full rankings, voter desire for

2005-10-16 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Kevin, Thanks for the reply. I'll have to think about some elements of your mail, but there are pieces I want to respond to right away. On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 05:55 +0200, Kevin Venzke wrote: > --- Rob Lanphier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > > Here's a related set of questions I've been meani

Re: [EM] full rankings, voter desire for

2005-10-15 Thread Kevin Venzke
Rob, --- Rob Lanphier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > Here's a related set of questions I've been meaning to ask: > > 1. Are the Later No Harm (LNH) criterion and the Sincere Favorite > Criterion (SFC) mutually incompatible? It seems I've caused some confusion. "Sincere Favorite" is my votes-on

Re: [EM] full rankings, voter desire for

2005-10-15 Thread Chris Benham
Abd, You wrote: >Note that if the method allows equal ranking, adding clones does not >require additional ranks. > How on earth do you work that out? "Require" for what purpose? You seem to be assuming that it doesn't matter which member of a set of clones wins, which is odd because it is perf

Re: [EM] full rankings, voter desire for

2005-10-15 Thread Warren Smith
I have no idea. I know australia makes trunc illegal and uses various STV and IRV schemes. There is some web page listing countries & voting methods. If you find it let me know election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] full rankings, voter desire for

2005-10-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 10:58 AM 10/15/2005, Warren Smith wrote: >I did not say voters always want full rankings. > >What I said was, I think there is a substantial SUBCLASS of elections, >in which, all voters (except perhaps for a few who are insane or writing >illegible ballots or something random like that) will wan

Re: [EM] full rankings, voter desire for

2005-10-15 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 10:58 -0400, Warren Smith wrote: > I did not say voters always want full rankings. > > What I said was, I think there is a substantial SUBCLASS of elections, > in which, all voters (except perhaps for a few who are insane or writing > illegible ballots or something random lik

Re: [EM] full rankings, voter desire for

2005-10-15 Thread Chris Benham
Warren, >What I said was, I think there is a substantial SUBCLASS of elections, >in which, all voters (except perhaps for a few who are insane or writing >illegible ballots or something random like that) will want to provide full >rankings. > I agree with you, and for elections like that there w

Re: [EM] full rankings, voter desire for

2005-10-15 Thread Joseph Malkevitch
What are the countries that make truncated ballots illegal and what are the types of elections involved? Thanks, Joe -- Joseph Malkevitch Department of Mathematics York College (CUNY) Jamaica, New York 11451 Phone: 718-262-2551 Web page: http://www.york.cuny.edu/~malk election-methods

Re: [EM] full rankings, voter desire for

2005-10-15 Thread Kevin Venzke
Warren, --- Warren Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > I did not say voters always want full rankings. > > What I said was, I think there is a substantial SUBCLASS of elections, > in which, all voters (except perhaps for a few who are insane or writing > illegible ballots or something random li

[EM] full rankings, voter desire for

2005-10-15 Thread Warren Smith
I did not say voters always want full rankings. What I said was, I think there is a substantial SUBCLASS of elections, in which, all voters (except perhaps for a few who are insane or writing illegible ballots or something random like that) will want to provide full rankings. If your voting meth