Re: [EM] using welfare functions in election methods

2006-05-17 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Raphael! You wrote: > There seems to be a difference in how the sums are occuring. This > welfare function applies a negative utility to people having wealth > that is not average. If you refer to the Gini social welfare function, this is not true! Increasing any individual welfare always i

Re: [EM] using welfare functions in election methods

2006-05-17 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Stephen! You wrote: > Can we confirm that "welfare" is a synonym for > "utility"? As far as it is just a name, sure. However, on the group (society) level, the term "utility" seems to be used most often for the *sum* of the individual utilities, that is, for a *specific* social welfare funct

Re: [EM] using welfare functions in election methods

2006-05-17 Thread Raphael Ryan
Stephen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Nice to see a discussion of welfare in this context. >Can we confirm that "welfare" is a synonym for >"utility"? There seems to be a difference in how the sums are occuring. This welfare function applies a negative utility to people having wealth that

[EM] using welfare functions in election methods

2006-05-17 Thread Stephen Turner
Nice to see a discussion of welfare in this context. Can we confirm that "welfare" is a synonym for "utility"? A starting model would be: given a voting system which is sufficiently expressive (perhaps a range system), assume that everyone just votes their welfare directly, and see where that gets

Re: [EM] using welfare functions in election methods

2006-05-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:38 PM 5/15/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Though, the tricky thing I've always run into when trying to formulate a >better social utility measure is that when trying to make sure no one is >left too far behind, do we unfairly reward people who complain too much? And if we don't, then we lea

Re: [EM] using welfare functions in election methods

2006-05-15 Thread bql
Ooo, I like it. Now I want to re-run all my old simulations that just measured average happiness. Though, the tricky thing I've always run into when trying to formulate a better social utility measure is that when trying to make sure no one is left too far behind, do we unfairly reward people w

Re: [EM] using welfare functions in election methods

2006-05-15 Thread Simmons, Forest
I like this idea. It would go well with "published welfare estimates" analogous to the "published orderings" that we have discussed recently. Forest <> election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] using welfare functions in election methods

2006-05-14 Thread Jobst Heitzig
tzig >>Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:47 PM >>To: Election Methods Mailing List >>Subject: [EM] using welfare functions in election methods >> >>Hello folks! >> >>This is about an idea I was thinking about for several weeks now: How >>the concept of "

Re: [EM] using welfare functions in election methods

2006-05-14 Thread Paul Kislanko
t > Subject: [EM] using welfare functions in election methods > > Hello folks! > > This is about an idea I was thinking about for several weeks now: How > the concept of "welfare function" which is frequently used in welfare > economics could fruitfully be used in the

[EM] using welfare functions in election methods

2006-05-14 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Hello folks! This is about an idea I was thinking about for several weeks now: How the concept of "welfare function" which is frequently used in welfare economics could fruitfully be used in the discussion of election methods, too. A "social welfare function" measures the "welfare" of a group of