Re: [EM] voting reform effort in DENVER - PLEASE HELP

2006-06-12 Thread Jan Kok
On 6/11/06, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The simplest > form of Asset is actually standard single-vote with revoting allowed. > This could be done with any election equipment. Are you saying have multiple elections? (expensive & a hassle) Or something like early voting where t

Re: [EM] voting reform effort in DENVER - PLEASE HELP

2006-06-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:45 PM 6/11/2006, Chris Benham wrote: >That assumes that the interests and/or preferences of voters are >identical to the candidates they >vote for. This is an argument against representative democracy, isn't it? Mr. Benham is assuming, first of all, that "candidates" in an Asset Voting si

Re: [EM] voting reform effort in DENVER - PLEASE HELP

2006-06-11 Thread Brian Olson
The approach I'm taking is to write all the good methods into law and allow the election official in charge (secretary of state, county clerk, etc) to pick from an approved method. I've been writing something up sorta in the format of California Law which I think is almost ready and I plan t

Re: [EM] voting reform effort in DENVER - PLEASE HELP

2006-06-11 Thread Chris Benham
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 12:09 PM 6/11/2006, Chris Benham wrote: > > >> Elections should be decided directly by the votes of voters, and as far >> as practicably possible all voters >> should have equal/power weight in this process. So I reject Asset >> Voting. >> > > > All voters ha

Re: [EM] voting reform effort in DENVER - PLEASE HELP

2006-06-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Once again, this message is sent to a series of lists, including the Approval Voting list, where I'm banned. I've deleted that from the series, Mr. Kok can forward it if he thinks it relevant. At 12:09 PM 6/11/2006, Chris Benham wrote: >Elections should be decided directly by the votes of voters

Re: [EM] voting reform effort in DENVER - PLEASE HELP

2006-06-11 Thread Chris Benham
Jan Kok wrote: > >I would like for Denver to adopt something better than plain old IRV. > > Looking at the link, I was glad to see that they were proposing to implement IRV properly, and not some abomination like automated Top-Two Runoff (TTR) or not allowing full ranking. > >1. Proportional

Re: [EM] voting reform effort in DENVER - PLEASE HELP

2006-06-11 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I've removed the Approval Voting address from the To: header since I'm banned there. Jan can forward this if he thinks it relevant to that list. At 08:24 AM 6/11/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Right. However, the real problem is that it is hard to change the >voting >system as the current winne

Re: [EM] voting reform effort in DENVER - PLEASE HELP

2006-06-11 Thread James Gilmour
Jan Kok Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:39 AM > Denver city councilwoman Kathleen MacKenzie is leading an effort to > get rid of their Plurality + delayed runoff election method, used for > electing city council members and a few other city officers, and > replacing it with IRV. > Here are several a

Re: [EM] voting reform effort in DENVER - PLEASE HELP

2006-06-11 Thread raphfrk
Jan Kok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I think a victory for IRV in Denver would be a step SIDEways for >voting reform in general. Yes, IRV is better than Plurality + delayed >top-two runoff. Yes, a victory for IRV would get the issue of voting >reform a little more into the public consciousness; cer

[EM] voting reform effort in DENVER - PLEASE HELP

2006-06-10 Thread Jan Kok
Denver city councilwoman Kathleen MacKenzie is leading an effort to get rid of their Plurality + delayed runoff election method, used for electing city council members and a few other city officers, and replacing it with IRV. 10 days ago I attended a meeting of that group. There were about 12 peop