Re: [Election-Methods] RE : Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: Is the Condorcet winner always the best?

2007-12-12 Thread Juho
Yes, if the method is such that it ignores everything said behind then NOTB limit, in that case it would be not good to let the voter believe that those markings would impact the outcome of the election (=better that only poll data). I guess most "Condorcet+Approval" methods do take also th

[Election-Methods] RE : Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: Is the Condorcet winner always the best?

2007-12-12 Thread Kevin Venzke
Juho, --- Juho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > I don't fully agree that "the whole purpose of specifying NOTB is to > allow us to ignore those rankings". It think in this case it is good > to allow a voter to say "I don't support A and B but in the case that > one of them will be elected I p

Re: [Election-Methods] RE : Re: RE : Re: Is the Condorcet winner always the best?

2007-12-12 Thread Juho
On Dec 12, 2007, at 17:44 , Kevin Venzke wrote: > the thing that isn't obvious is that implementing an > approval cutoff would result in people using it in a sincere way > rather > than as a strategic tool. > --- Diego Santos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : >> >> A "approval quorum" rule will av

Re: [Election-Methods] Is this Condorcet method reasonable?

2007-12-12 Thread Juho
On Dec 12, 2007, at 18:10 , Steve Eppley wrote: > As I wrote in my previous email (above) what I meant by "withdrawing > before the election" is deciding not to run. Ok, there are two cases, one where the candidate has already been identified as a candidate and another one where not. > In > par

Re: [Election-Methods] Is this Condorcet method reasonable?

2007-12-12 Thread Steve Eppley
Hi, Juho Laatu wrote: > On Dec 11, 2007, at 0:02 , Steve Eppley wrote: >> If candidates may not withdraw after the voting, some of them may be >> forced to withdraw before the voting (also known as "deciding not to >> run, out of fear of being a spoiler that worsens the outcome") or some >> voters

[Election-Methods] RE : Re: RE : Re: Is the Condorcet winner always the best?

2007-12-12 Thread Kevin Venzke
Diego, I thought you were pretty clear. --- Diego Santos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > I was not enough clear when i wrote my previous email. The '>>' is not a > real approval mark on the ballot, it was only a "satisfaction limit" from > each voter. I am arguing that not always the Condorcet wi

Re: [Election-Methods] RE : Re: Is the Condorcet winner always the best?

2007-12-12 Thread Diego Santos
I was not enough clear when i wrote my previous email. The '>>' is not a real approval mark on the ballot, it was only a "satisfaction limit" from each voter. I am arguing that not always the Condorcet winner is the one that maximizes happiness of the people, as Jonathan pointed. A "approval quoru