[Election-Methods] USING Condorcet

2008-06-30 Thread Dave Ketchum
Original Message Subject: [RangeVoting] Wikimedia adopts the Schulze method On Jun 29, 2008, at 4:27 , Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: While Range *might* have made a difference, probably not. The problem with Condorcet methods with many candidates is one of voter ignorance.

Re: [Election-Methods] USING Condorcet

2008-06-30 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Dave Ketchum, in 2007, the Wikimedia Foundation used approval voting for the elections of its Board of Trustees. Here is the election result: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2007/Results/en No candidate was approved by a majority. Markus Schulze Election-Methods

[Election-Methods] Fwd: Another Lottery Method for the Record

2008-06-30 Thread raphfrk
Didn't actually send this to the list. Original post follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry in advance, AIM tends to add lots of ? symbols for some reason. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In small groups: A voter is chosen at random. This voter picks another voter to

Re: [Election-Methods] USING Condorcet

2008-06-30 Thread James Gilmour
Markus Schulze Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:28 PM in 2007, the Wikimedia Foundation used approval voting for the elections of its Board of Trustees. No candidate was approved by a majority. Given that this was 3-member election, is that any surprise? Surely the surprise in such an

Re: [Election-Methods] USING Condorcet

2008-06-30 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear James Gilmour, in 2007, the Wikimedia Foundation used approval voting for the elections of its Board of Trustees. Here is the election result: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2007/Results/en No candidate was approved by a majority. Given that this was 3-member

Re: [Election-Methods] Another Lottery Method for the Record

2008-06-30 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Afternoon, Forest I've thought about your proposal since I first read it the other day. I'm unclear about the human dynamics. The proposal, as later adjusted, seems to have a negative tinge; it relies on eliminating people judged undesirable rather than elevating those judged desirable.

Re: [Election-Methods] Partisan Politics + a method proposal

2008-06-30 Thread Juho
On Jun 30, 2008, at 22:56 , Fred Gohlke wrote: re: I see also some benefits in being bound by manifesto and indebtedness and having related 'cliques' already before the election. Then you must be happy with the status quo and all the deceit, obfuscation and corruption that dominate our

Re: [Election-Methods] Another Lottery Method for the Record

2008-06-30 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Jun 30, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Fred Gohlke wrote: I've thought about your proposal since I first read it the other day. I'm unclear about the human dynamics. The proposal, as later adjusted, seems to have a negative tinge; it relies on eliminating people judged undesirable rather than

Re: [Election-Methods] USING Condorcet

2008-06-30 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear James Gilmour, It is interesting to see the large numbers of ballots with many equal rankings, often but not always, one candidate versus the rest. And yet the candidates within the equal rankings are given in specific orders. If no preference among them, what does the order signify

Re: [Election-Methods] USING Condorcet

2008-06-30 Thread Brian Olson
On Jun 30, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Dave Ketchum wrote: Condorcet provides for ranked approval for more than one candidate. This DOES NOT justify trying to get voters to rank more than they approve of. And, while I write above for voters to learn about other candidates, I do not see demanding