Re: [EM] Schulze definition (was: information content, game theory, cooperation)

2009-06-08 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Mon, 8/6/09, Raph Frank raph...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Juho Laatujuho4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: My thinking was that if the question on the referendum excludes IRV, then the final outcome is anyway likely to be Schulze (and the unlikely event of choosing

Re: [EM] Schulze

2009-06-08 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Warren Smith wrote: The Schulze-beatpaths page Arpad was probably thinking of was http://rangevoting.org/SchulzeExplan.html The information thing now is summarized here http://rangevoting.org/PuzzInfo1.html which will be a future puzzle... I think you should say that ranked ballots with

[EM] voting strategy with rank-order-with-equality ballots

2009-06-08 Thread Warren Smith
One problem is nobody really has a good understanding of what good strategy is. If one believes that range voting becomes approval voting in the presence of strategic voters (often, anyhow)... One might similarly speculate that strategic voters in a system such as Schilze beatpaths ALLOWING

Re: [EM] information content of ballots (and intelligent people)

2009-06-08 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Jun 8, 2009, at 2:14 AM, Jan Kok wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Dave Ketchumda...@clarityconnect.com wrote: On Jun 7, 2009, at 8:33 PM, Jan Kok wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Dave Ketchumda...@clarityconnect.com wrote: It matters what is said, not whether speaking

Re: [EM] voting strategy with rank-order-with-equality ballots

2009-06-08 Thread Juho Laatu
I have a rather practical approach to strategies. Often we talk about theoretical properties of the methods. I prefer talking about the practical impacts (of the known theoretical vulnerabilities) since often the theoretical cases talk only about some marginal cases. I'll explain more below.