[EM] Pirate Party of Sweden adopts the Schulze method

2010-01-07 Thread Markus Schulze
Hallo, in October 2009, the Pirate Party of Sweden adopted the Schulze method. See e.g.: http://forum.piratpartiet.se/FindPost174988.aspx http://forum.piratpartiet.se/FindPost176567.aspx http://forum.piratpartiet.se/FindPost191479.aspx The Schulze method is used in the internal elections (14 Dec

Re: [EM] just to let you know ...

2010-01-07 Thread Juho
plurality leader in the initial tally ended up losing weak Condorcet compromise in third place if Burlington had used Condorcet rules ... there would be even more vociferous calls for repeal These are all semi-valid concerns in a country that is so used to plurality winners and singl

Re: [EM] just to let you know ...

2010-01-07 Thread Brian Olson
On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Terry Bouricius wrote: > Actually, the opposition to IRV in Burlington is predominantly focused on > the complaint that the plurality leader in the initial tally ended up > losing in the runoff tally. That's stupid enough to get me a bit angry. They see a problem w

Re: [EM] A Majoritarian, Clone Free, High Efficiency, Sincere Ratings Lottery

2010-01-07 Thread fsimmons
I'm afraid the method is not monotone: If a member of S moves up on the ordinal ballots, it is true this move will increase her chances of winning if L(S) is chosen over A, but it might make it so that L(S) is not chosen over A. Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em

Re: [EM] Pirate Party of Sweden adopts the Schulze method

2010-01-07 Thread Raph Frank
Is it a pure condorcet ordering, or are they adding any PR elements to the list? Using google translate (which did a pretty good job), on those threads, they say it is decided "According to a variant of the Condorcet / Single-Transferable-Vote named Schultz method. Full källkod kommer att publice

Re: [EM] Pirate Party of Sweden adopts the Schulze method

2010-01-07 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Raph Frank wrote: Is it a pure condorcet ordering, or are they adding any PR elements to the list? Using google translate (which did a pretty good job), on those threads, they say it is decided "According to a variant of the Condorcet / Single-Transferable-Vote named Schultz method. Full källko

Re: [EM] Pirate Party of Sweden adopts the Schulze method

2010-01-07 Thread Markus Schulze
Hallo, the Schulze ranking will be used as defined in the Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method I agree that it would have been better if a proportional ordering method had been used. Markus Schulze Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for

Re: [EM] Pirate Party of Sweden adopts the Schulze method

2010-01-07 Thread Juho
They also said: > Condorcet-Schultze med 30% kvotering = Condorcet-Schultze with 30% quotas I just wonder if that adds something to the basic Schulze method. Juho On Jan 7, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Markus Schulze wrote: Hallo, the Schulze ranking will be used as defined in the Wikipedia article

Re: [EM] Pirate Party of Sweden adopts the Schulze method

2010-01-07 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Juho wrote: They also said: > Condorcet-Schultze med 30% kvotering = Condorcet-Schultze with 30% quotas I just wonder if that adds something to the basic Schulze method. That means that 30% of the people on the list has to have some property. I'm not sure what that property is, but I guess

[EM] Utah Republican Party Scraps IRV Voting Method

2010-01-07 Thread Kathy Dopp
Nice to know someone has some common sense to scrap IRV voting. I found out that NYC tried IRV in the 1930s and scrapped it too. Also Burlington VT and Aspen CO have ongoing efforts to scrap it and several other locations recently made the wise decision to scrap possibly the only alternative votin

Re: [EM] Utah Republican Party Scraps IRV Voting Method

2010-01-07 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:41 PM, Kathy Dopp wrote: Nice to know someone has some common sense to scrap IRV voting. I found out that NYC tried IRV in the 1930s and scrapped it too. Also Burlington VT and Aspen CO have ongoing efforts to scrap it *some* people in Burlington VT. don't assume (until

Re: [EM] Utah Republican Party Scraps IRV Voting Method

2010-01-07 Thread Kathy Dopp
I've answered that question on this list before and Abd ul also answered it. There are *many* good alternative voting methods that do solve the spoiler problem, are monotonic, and elect majority winners and are precinct summable. I don't know of any alternative voting methods as bad as IRV/STV (al

Re: [EM] Utah Republican Party Scraps IRV Voting Method

2010-01-07 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:28 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: > > On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Kathy Dopp wrote: > >> I've answered that question on this list before and Abd ul also answered >> it. >> >> There are *many* good alternative voting methods that do solve the >> spoiler problem, are mono

Re: [EM] Utah Republican Party Scraps IRV Voting Method

2010-01-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:55 PM 1/7/2010, Kathy Dopp wrote: I've answered that question on this list before and Abd ul also answered it. There are *many* good alternative voting methods that do solve the spoiler problem, are monotonic, and elect majority winners and are precinct summable. I don't know of any altern

Re: [EM] Utah Republican Party Scraps IRV Voting Method

2010-01-07 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Abd ul, Just a few comments and a correction re. Burlington. >> > (Single Transferable Vote is considerably better when used for multiwinner > elections, though there are better methods still, for sure. True multiwinner > STV has been re

Re: [EM] Utah Republican Party Scraps IRV Voting Method

2010-01-07 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On Jan 7, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Kathy Dopp wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:28 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Kathy Dopp wrote: I've answered that question on this list before and Abd ul also answered it. There are *many* good alternative voting methods that do