Re: [EM] IRV vs Plurality

2010-01-08 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Dave, --- En date de : Ven 8.1.10, Dave Ketchum a écrit : > I said "approval", not > "Approval".  I read Range ratings of A-1, B-9, and C-2 > as saying B is much more strongly approved than A or B. You are looking at the meaning of Range ratings on a ballot, but you don't seem to care how Ran

Re: [EM] IRV vs Plurality

2010-01-08 Thread Dave Ketchum
I said "approval", not "Approval". I read Range ratings of A-1, B-9, and C-2 as saying B is much more strongly approved than A or B. Saying it backwards, ranking A-1, B-9, and C-2 in Condorcet makes B more approved than A or C, but the ranking shows only equality or inequality, while the

Re: [EM] IRV vs Plurality

2010-01-08 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, Considering that Dave always disliked Approval (because it lacks expressivity), I consider the below quote a compelling suggestion that Range shouldn't be used in public elections. He judges Range entirely by its ballot, taking it at face value. Won't a number of people do the same thing? -

Re: [EM] IRV vs Plurality

2010-01-08 Thread Dave Ketchum
Comparing these two is a waste of time. EACH has demonstrated weaknesses that should have us working together on moving ahead. Where to go? Condorcet lets voters vote much as they are promised for IRV. It lets voters vote for those they most like, ranking their votes to show which they

[EM] IRV vs Plurality

2010-01-08 Thread Stéphane Rouillon
> Therefore IRV/STV is no better than plurality, but has extra very > serious flaws, inequities, and vagaries that plurality does not have. I definitively disagree. Plurality is worst than IRV. The flaws that IRV does have are real. But these problems appear very less often than the splitting-

Re: [EM] Utah Republican Party Scraps IRV Voting Method

2010-01-08 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:39 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: > i knew that.  but what i wanted to know is if, from where you stand, it was > one of the acceptable alternatives to IRV.  or if your ideal solution is to > return to the "traditional" runoff or just first-past-the-pole. I think Cond