Re: [EM] Voting systems theory and proportional representationvssimple representation. (Abd ul-Rahman Lomax)

2010-03-15 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Raph Frank wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Terry Bouricius > wrote: >> Why would one want to have voters be restricted by the list order of one's >> favorite candidate, instead of allowing the voters themselves to reorder >> the party list (as happens w

Re: [EM] A monotonic proportional multiwinner method

2010-03-15 Thread Raph Frank
Ok, a slight restatement, which makes the operation less complex. Also, it eliminates the need for a transition from the standard process to the tie-breaking rule. Sort conditions by (total support)/(2*number of seats - 1) i.e. Sainte-lague divisors So, if (ABC)>(all others) has a support of 2

Re: [EM] Voting systems theory and proportional representationvssimple representation. (Abd ul-Rahman Lomax)

2010-03-15 Thread Raph Frank
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Terry Bouricius wrote: > Why would one want to have voters be restricted by the list order of one's > favorite candidate, instead of allowing the voters themselves to reorder > the party list (as happens with OPEN list systems - unlike closed party > list PR)? Ope

Re: [EM] Voting systems theory and proportional representationvssimple representation. (Abd ul-Rahman Lomax)

2010-03-15 Thread Terry Bouricius
Why would one want to have voters be restricted by the list order of one's favorite candidate, instead of allowing the voters themselves to reorder the party list (as happens with OPEN list systems - unlike closed party list PR)? Is the idea to allow candidates to list candidates outside their

Re: [EM] Voting systems theory and proportional representation vssimple representation. (Abd ul-Rahman Lomax)

2010-03-15 Thread Raph Frank
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Kathy Dopp wrote: > Yikes Raph. I didn't know that the method was potentially > nonmonotonic.  I oppose all nonmonotonic methods. Yeah, I know. I brought it up in the interests of honesty. However, there is another thread titled "A monotonic proportional multiwi

Re: [EM] Voting systems theory and proportional representation vssimple representation. (Abd ul-Rahman Lomax)

2010-03-15 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Raph Frank wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Terry Bouricius wrote: Ralph is describing the open list system used in such places as the Netherlands (nation-wide) and Finland (regionally). I was thinking of a system with 1 list per candidate, rather than 1 list per party. This gives th

Re: [EM] Voting systems theory and proportional representation vssimple representation. (Abd ul-Rahman Lomax)

2010-03-15 Thread Kathy Dopp
Yikes Raph. I didn't know that the method was potentially nonmonotonic. I oppose all nonmonotonic methods. I would think that you could simple set a threshold number of votes to win a seat and then redistribute all excess votes for candidates to the 1st candidates on their own lists, then redistr