Re: [EM] Most Tolerable or Better

2011-06-29 Thread fsimmons
> On Jun 29, 2011, at 3:52 PM, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: > > > This is a three slot method. The two non-blank choices are > > "tolerable" and > > "better." > > > > Elect the alternative that is marked tolerable or better on > the > > greatest number > > of ballots. > > > > If there is a tie, then

Re: [EM] Condorcet Jury Theorem

2011-06-29 Thread Greg Nisbet
my premise, poorly articulated, but my premise nonetheless is that an "adaptive" voting method that takes into account voters' previous behavior may be able to outperform OMOV in the long run on average. P=NP is only meant to evoke the relevant properties of objective truth i.e. that it is true or

Re: [EM] Most Tolerable or Better

2011-06-29 Thread fsimmons
What about strategy for "Most Tolerable of Better?" In ordinary Approval, the strategy S that maximizes the probability of being pivotal (in the desired direction) is to approve alternative X if and only if X is less likely to be tied with an alternative that you prefer over X than it is with an a

Re: [EM] Most Tolerable or Better

2011-06-29 Thread fsimmons
Yes, you can think of it as upside down MCA, which is a three slot version of Bucklin. - Original Message - From: robert bristow-johnson > > On Jun 29, 2011, at 3:52 PM, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: > > > This is a three slot method. The two non-blank choices are > > "tolerable" and > > "bette

[EM] SODA in a de-facto two-party system

2011-06-29 Thread fsimmons
> > Having considered these issues, there are two refinements I'd > make to SODA: > > - If, after voting, one candidate has an absolute majority OR > is the only > possible winner, they win immediately. > > Sure, I can think an argument for why SODA should elect someone > who's not > the initial ma

Re: [EM] Most Tolerable or Better

2011-06-29 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On Jun 29, 2011, at 3:52 PM, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: This is a three slot method. The two non-blank choices are "tolerable" and "better." Elect the alternative that is marked tolerable or better on the greatest number of ballots. If there is a tie, then elect the tied alternative that is

[EM] Further SODA refinement

2011-06-29 Thread Jameson Quinn
Problem: "Near-clones" A1 and A2 have both put each other at the top of their delegation order. Their totals, combined, constitute a majority, but either one alone would be beaten by B. Both insist that the other one delegate, threatening to refuse to delegate. It's a game of "chicken", and the mor

[EM] Most Tolerable or Better

2011-06-29 Thread fsimmons
This is a three slot method. The two non-blank choices are "tolerable" and "better." Elect the alternative that is marked tolerable or better on the greatest number of ballots. If there is a tie, then elect the tied alternative that is marked better on the greatest number of ballots. If a tie p

Re: [EM] Condorcet Jury Theorem

2011-06-29 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Greg Nisbet wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet's_jury_theorem Let's pretend for the moment that we are attempting to determine the truth of propositions rather than deciding on policy (this matters, since policy decisions can't be objectively right or wrong and alters what the "credib

Re: [EM] round robin tournaments RBJ

2011-06-29 Thread robert bristow-johnson
i'm selecting smaller segments to respond to. i might select another small segment. On Jun 29, 2011, at 2:39 AM, Kevin Venzke wrote: Winning Votes has *no* salience attached to how close or decisive an election is. i just cannot get past that. a measure of how decisive an election is, i

Re: [EM] round robin tournaments RBJ

2011-06-29 Thread Juho Laatu
It seems that quite typically different viewpoints on margins and winning votes are linked to the question of implicit approval. If someone votes A>B, does he say that his preference order is A>B>C=D=E or does he say that in addition to that he thinks that only A and B are acceptable and the oth

Re: [EM] Fwd: H. Ross Perot was a condorcet winner??

2011-06-29 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Jameson Quinn wrote: ps. I, too, would be interested if anyone had any vaguely pairwise data on historic US presidential elections, including '92. There's data (historians' estimates) for the 1860 election in the paper "Would the Borda Count have avoided the Civil War?", http://mason.gmu.edu