Re: [EM] [RangeVoting] Re: Range Voting As an Issue

2011-08-09 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Jameson,   Just passing through at the moment. I read this though and wanted to comment. --- En date de : Ven 5.8.11, Jameson Quinn a écrit : >In the end, I definitely sympathize with Warren that BR is the best >measure of results ... I am finding myself looking at utility less because it doe

[EM] Another method based ratings of zero to three.

2011-08-09 Thread fsimmons
I know that Kevin is using four levels (zero through three) to test various methods, so here's an idea: 1. Find the number of votes at each level for each candidate. 2. If any candidates have scores of "one" on more than fifty percent of the ballots, convert the surplus "ones" to "twos." 3 If

Re: [EM] A variant of DSC

2011-08-09 Thread fsimmons
Last night I realized that my example below shows that my variant of DSC fails later-no-harm. > Here's an example that illustrates the difference in Woodall's > DSC and my modified version: > > 25 A1>A2 > 35 A2>A1 > 20 B>A1 > 20 C>A1 In my modification of DSC A1 wins. If the A2 faction trunc

Re: [EM] SODA strategy

2011-08-09 Thread Jameson Quinn
2011/8/9 Juho Laatu > I checked the definition of SODA at the wiki page. Since the method > consists of multiple phases and has many rules, it was difficult to find a > simple mapping from that to one simple claim that could be proved or > falsified. I also had some problems with terms semi-hones

Re: [EM] SODA strategy

2011-08-09 Thread Juho Laatu
I checked the definition of SODA at the wiki page. Since the method consists of multiple phases and has many rules, it was difficult to find a simple mapping from that to one simple claim that could be proved or falsified. I also had some problems with terms semi-honest, non-semi-honest, self-re

Re: [EM] [CES #3389] SODA strategy

2011-08-09 Thread Warren Smith
>> Well... good question. I don't know the answer. Perhaps the answer >> is some computer simulation study, but that isn't so easy nor will it >> necessarily be so clear (people will >> complain: "why didn't your study include voting method X?"). >> >> > Can you expand on how you'd design that s

Re: [EM] [CES #3388] SODA strategy

2011-08-09 Thread Jameson Quinn
Here's what Charles Dodgson (Lewis Carroll) had to say about people who denied the possibility of strategically-induced Condorcet cycles: I am quite prepared to be told, with regard to the cases I have here proposed, as I have already been told with regard to others, "Oh, that is an extreme case,

Re: [EM] [CES #3387] SODA strategy

2011-08-09 Thread Warren Smith
well, I feel intuitively that Jameson is probably right about SODA being pretty unstrategic in practice, but there is the annoying problem that there are various example elections in which dishonest SODA strategic voting is called for. So, Jameson asks how we can define some rigorous sense in whic

[EM] SODA strategy

2011-08-09 Thread Jameson Quinn
SODA is not strategy free. Even if you make the assumption that candidate preferences are honest because dishonesty will be detected and punished by voters -- an assumption which puts the system beyond the reach of the Gibbard-Satterthwaite proof -- the fact remains that you can construct strategic

Re: [EM] What kind of monotonicity whould we exspect from a PR method?

2011-08-09 Thread Juho Laatu
Just another example vote set FYI. 2 AB 2 AC 1 B 1 C 4 D Natural winners are maybe A and D. 100 AB 100 AC 1 B 1 C 4 D Natural winners are maybe B and C. Is it a problem that additional support to A (and B and C) meant that A was not elected? (A was top ranked by all the new voters. B and C we