Re: [EM] question about Schulze example (A,B,M1,M2)

2011-10-30 Thread Richard Fobes
On 10/28/2011 2:21 PM, capologist wrote: > > ... > Not quite what I'm looking for. ... > ... > I'm looking for a deterministic method for generating a "picture" > (partial ordering) of how the voters, in aggregate, feel about the > preferability of the available options. (What we're doing at this

Re: [EM] hello from DLW of "A New Kind of Party":long time electoral reform enthusiast/iconoclast-wannabe...

2011-10-30 Thread Richard Fobes
Welcome! An excellent summary of the collective view of most participants here is our recently created "Declaration of Election-Method Reform Advocates". It doesn't yet have a permanent home; a temporary copy is here: http://www.votefair.org/declaration.html Your views overlap with many of

[EM] hello from DLW of "A New Kind of Party":long time electoral reform enthusiast/iconoclast-wannabe...

2011-10-30 Thread David L Wetzell
I just joined the list. I'm a political economist turned electoral enthusiast. My views are: 1. All modern democracies are unstable mixtures of popular democracy and plutocracy. 2. Electoral Reform is meant to bolster the former. 3. There are two basic types of election rules: winner-take-all (al

Re: [EM] Proxy Direct Democracy

2011-10-30 Thread Peter Zbornik
Hi all, proxy voting for a person i in a specific election could maybe be formalized as follows: V:=(v1,...vi,..., vN), where vi is the vote of voter i, 1<=i<=N, N is the number of voters. V is the actual or publically announced votes of the voters, where 1 means yes, and 0 means no. sum(V) count

Re: [EM] Proxy Direct Democracy

2011-10-30 Thread Michael Allan
Dear Mike (and Kathy), Mike wrote: > And a proxy needn't be a political figure, party leader, candidate, > or anyone special. One's proxy could be _anyone_ whom one wants to > vote for hir. (As designated for a particular issue-category, or a > particular vote, or as pre-chosen default proxy). I

Re: [EM] (1) The fact of an objectively meaningless vote

2011-10-30 Thread Michael Allan
Dear Fred, > I've pondered your assertion that "the effect of an individual vote > is exactly zero" for a considerable time and do not believe it is > sound. Your 5 points assume that elections are static events. > They're not. > > > 1. Take the last election in which you voted, and look at > >

Re: [EM] question about Schulze example (A,B,M1,M2)

2011-10-30 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
capologist wrote: I'm no expert in this field, but it is one I find interesting and visit from time to time. My first encounter with it was when I stumbled on a website advocating what was then called the Tideman method, before it was called Ranked Pairs and before the Schulze method was discover