Re: [EM] SODA might be the method we've been looking for.

2011-12-15 Thread Jameson Quinn
2011/12/15 Andrew Myers an...@cs.cornell.edu On 7/22/64 2:59 PM, Andy Jennings wrote: I don't see any huge theoretical downsides. Do others still have reservations about SODA? I realize that some people may be opposed to delegation, in principle. And others think delegable systems just

Re: [EM] SODA might be the method we've been looking for.

2011-12-15 Thread Jameson Quinn
One kind of SODA strategy which I didn't discuss is candidate preference-declaration strategy aimed, not at directly attaining a better result, but at attracting votes. This would basically take two forms: established candidates truncating upstarts to try to minimize their importance, and a

[EM] Simple SODA strategy (post-election delegated phase)

2011-12-15 Thread Jameson Quinn
Here's a simple strategy rule of thumb. I don't claim it's perfect strategy in all cases, but it is in all the cases I've checked. When it is your turn to assign delegated votes, find the current Smith set (that is, counting all unassigned delegated ballots, including the ones delegated to you,

[EM] Chris: Regarding the criteriion failures you mentioned for MMT

2011-12-15 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Chris: You said that MMT fails Mono-Add-Plump: I've already commented on that a few times. You said that MMT fails Condorcet's Criterion: But, as you know, CC is incompatible with FBC. You said that MMT fails Mutual Dominant 3rd: I don't know what that criterion is. But, in any case, to

[EM] Chris: Regarding the criteriion failures you mentioned for MMT

2011-12-15 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Chris: You said that MMT fails Mono-Add-Plump: I've already commented on that a few times. You said that MMT fails Condorcet's Criterion: But, as you know, CC is incompatible with FBC. You said that MMT fails Mutual Dominant 3rd: I don't know what that criterion is. But, in any case, to

[EM] Chris: Regarding the criteriion failures you mentioned for MMT

2011-12-15 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Chris:  You said that MMT fails Mono-Add-Plump:  I've already commented on that a few times.  You said that MMT fails Condorcet's Criterion:  But, as you know, CC is incompatible with FBC.  You said that MMT fails Mutual Dominant 3rd:  I don't know what that criterion is. But, in any

Re: [EM] Electoral Experimentation

2011-12-15 Thread Richard Fobes
On 12/15/2011 12:15 PM, David L Wetzell wrote: dlw: Within the third parties themselves, there'd need to be used single-winner elections to determine their candidates/leaders/positions. In these regards, there'd be great scope for experimentation with single-winner election rules,

[EM] I didn't mean to post that message 3 times. I was notified that I'd have to re-send.

2011-12-15 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
When I tried to post the message that I just posted, I received a notification that it couldn't be sent because the server was busy, and that I should re-send. Maybe next time, then, I should wait a while before re-sending. Mike Ossipoff

[EM] SODA strategy

2011-12-15 Thread fsimmons
If voters think that SODA is complex, then it's because they have been exposed unnecessarily or prematurely to the niceties of strategy considerations. Let's take a lesson from IRV supporters. They don't get anybody worried about IRV's monotonicity failure or FBC failure by bringing them up

[EM] Electoral Experimentation

2011-12-15 Thread David L Wetzell
-- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Fobes electionmeth...@votefair.org To: election-meth...@electorama.com Cc: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:39:23 -0800 Subject: Re: [EM] Electoral Experimentation On 12/15/2011 12:15 PM, David L Wetzell wrote: dlw: Within the third parties

Re: [EM] SODA strategy

2011-12-15 Thread Jameson Quinn
2011/12/15 fsimm...@pcc.edu If voters think that SODA is complex, then it's because they have been exposed unnecessarily or prematurely to the niceties of strategy considerations. Let's take a lesson from IRV supporters. They don't get anybody worried about IRV's monotonicity failure or

[EM] FBC failure for acquiescing coalition methods

2011-12-15 Thread fsimmons
Mike, I think your example applies to all acquiescing coalition methods that we have considered. The failure is caused by someone leap frogging over others to get to the top position. But I think that most of these methods satisfy this FBC like property: If the winner changes when (on some