De : Jameson Quinn
À : electionscie...@googlegroups.com
Cc : EM
Envoyé le : Vendredi 3 février 2012 22h06
Objet : Re: [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet
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>Condorcet systems fundamentally try to maximize the wrong thing. They try to
>maximize the
On 5.2.2012, at 5.39, Jameson Quinn wrote:
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> With information like this it should be (in principle) a quite mechanical
> process to check all relevant available methods against the targets and
> environment description, and then pick the best method (and ballot format)
> (and guidance to
On 5.2.2012, at 5.34, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
> On 2/4/12 4:01 PM, Juho Laatu wrote:
>> On 4.2.2012, at 19.14, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
>>
>>> so, i have a few questions for everyone here:
>>>
>>>1. do we all agree that every voter's franchise is precisely equal?
>>>2. if e
On 2/4/12 10:39 PM, Jameson Quinn wrote:
With information like this it should be (in principle) a
quite mechanical process to check all relevant available
methods against the targets and environment description, and
then pick the best method (and ballot format)
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Bryan Mills wrote:
> > From: Bryan Mills
>> > To: David L Wetzell
>> > > If there are 3-5 seats STV then the number of candidates won't
>> > proliferate
>> > > too much and there'd be 5-7 places to vote. This would keep things
>> > > reasonable.
>> >
>> > To get
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>
>>> They do maintain the constituent-legislator relationship, *for the
>>> subset of voters who voted in favor of the legislator*. For the remaining
>>> Droop quota of un- or under-represented constituents the nonexistence of
>>> the constituent-legislator relationship is also maintained.
>>>
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Jameson Quinn wrote:
> 2012/2/4 Bryan Mills
>
>> > From: Bryan Mills
>>> > To: David L Wetzell
>>> > > If there are 3-5 seats STV then the number of candidates won't
>>> > proliferate
>>> > > too much and there'd be 5-7 places to vote. This would keep things
>>>
>
>
>
> With information like this it should be (in principle) a quite
>> mechanical process to check all relevant available methods against the
>> targets and environment description, and then pick the best method (and
>> ballot format) (and guidance to the voters on how to vote).
>>
>
> really?
On 2/4/12 4:01 PM, Juho Laatu wrote:
On 4.2.2012, at 19.14, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
so, i have a few questions for everyone here:
1. do we all agree that every voter's franchise is precisely equal?
2. if each voter's franchise is equal, should we expect any voter
that h
On 4.2.2012, at 19.14, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
> so, i have a few questions for everyone here:
>
>1. do we all agree that every voter's franchise is precisely equal?
>2. if each voter's franchise is equal, should we expect any voter
>that has an opinion regarding the candi
2012/2/4 Bryan Mills
> > From: Bryan Mills
>> > To: David L Wetzell
>> > > If there are 3-5 seats STV then the number of candidates won't
>> > proliferate
>> > > too much and there'd be 5-7 places to vote. This would keep things
>> > > reasonable.
>> >
>> > To get reasonable proportionality wi
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:14 AM, robert bristow-johnson <
r...@audioimagination.com> wrote:
> On 2/4/12 4:12 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
>
>> On 02/04/2012 06:47 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
>>
>> On 2/3/12 11:06 PM, Jameson Quinn wrote:
>>>
>>> No, he's saying that when the CW and th
>
> > From: Bryan Mills
> > To: David L Wetzell
> > > If there are 3-5 seats STV then the number of candidates won't
> > proliferate
> > > too much and there'd be 5-7 places to vote. This would keep things
> > > reasonable.
> >
> > To get reasonable proportionality with only 3-5 seats per distri
2012/2/4 MIKE OSSIPOFF
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> (By the way, Middle-When-Needed and Stepwise-When-Needed probably fail FBC.
> Of course, if they do, then I withdraw
> those suggestions.)
>
> Jameson:
>
> You said:
>
> Please repeat them [statements about MJ strategy]. (Doing so in the 1st place
> would have saved u
(By the way, Middle-When-Needed and Stepwise-When-Needed probably fail FBC. Of
course, if they do, then I withdraw
those suggestions.)
Jameson:
You said:
Please repeat them [statements about MJ strategy]. (Doing so in the 1st place
would have saved us both time).
[endquote]
No, what would
I abbreviate Middle-When-Necessary as MWN.
Though, as I've mentioned, mutuality-conditionality a la MTAOC pseudocode, and
by MMT, and by GMAT are all (it seems to me)
mutually incompatible as options in an Approval election, conditionality by
top-count is compatible with each one of those, as
o
On 2/4/12 4:12 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
On 02/04/2012 06:47 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
On 2/3/12 11:06 PM, Jameson Quinn wrote:
No, he's saying that when the CW and the true, honest utility winner
differ, the latter is better. I agree, but it's not an argument worth
making, be
On 4.2.2012, at 11.12, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
> On 02/04/2012 06:47 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
>
>> On 2/3/12 11:06 PM, Jameson Quinn wrote:
>>
>>> No, he's saying that when the CW and the true, honest utility winner
>>> differ, the latter is better. I agree, but it's not an argume
On 02/04/2012 06:47 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
On 2/3/12 11:06 PM, Jameson Quinn wrote:
No, he's saying that when the CW and the true, honest utility winner
differ, the latter is better. I agree, but it's not an argument worth
making, because most people who don't already agree will thi
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