Re: [EM] The oldest bad-example trick in the book

2012-02-29 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Mike, Personally I don't think anyone is "wronged" in the MMPO example. I just don't think voters would accept it, and it would be difficult to advocate. People will ask how the outcome can possibly make sense and I don't think you can reassure them by asking who's wronged. The issue isn't rea

Re: [EM] An interesting scenario (spoilers, utility)

2012-02-29 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Jameson, De : Jameson Quinn >À : Kevin Venzke >Cc : election-methods >Envoyé le : Mercredi 29 février 2012 15h35 >Objet : Re: [EM] An interesting scenario (spoilers, utility) > > >This is indeed an interesting scenario. Something is particularly weak about >those B>C preferences. It coul

Re: [EM] STV seat count, and start small and locally

2012-02-29 Thread Jameson Quinn
2012/2/29 Jameson Quinn > >> Currently the tiny state of Rhode Island is so frustrated by what goes on >> in its state legislature that it is ripe for election-method reform. That >> state is so small that it is more "local" than the Los Angeles area. >> > > By the way, does anyone on the list h

Re: [EM] STV seat count, and start small and locally

2012-02-29 Thread Jameson Quinn
> > > Currently the tiny state of Rhode Island is so frustrated by what goes on > in its state legislature that it is ripe for election-method reform. That > state is so small that it is more "local" than the Los Angeles area. > By the way, does anyone on the list have any news at all about the R

Re: [EM] Jameson: SODA & FBC

2012-02-29 Thread Jameson Quinn
2012/2/29 MIKE OSSIPOFF > > Jameson: > > You wrote: > > Still, again I have to ask you, Mike: where's SODA? You were right earlier > that SODA fails FBC. But there are three mitigating factors. > > 1) Failure would be very rare; I hope to be able to be more precise about > this in the near future

[EM] Jameson: SODA & FBC

2012-02-29 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Jameson: You wrote: Still, again I have to ask you, Mike: where's SODA? You were right earlier that SODA fails FBC. But there are three mitigating factors. 1) Failure would be very rare; I hope to be able to be more precise about this in the near future. [endquote] I told you why that do

Re: [EM] STV seat count, and start small and locally

2012-02-29 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 02/26/2012 06:25 PM, Richard Fobes wrote: On 2/24/2012 1:01 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: On 02/23/2012 11:24 PM, Richard Fobes wrote: Kristofer Munsterhjelm asks: "... why do you propose rules that would make it harder for third parties to grow?" ... What I promote is VoteFair ranking.

Re: [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?

2012-02-29 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 02/20/2012 03:34 AM, Richard Fobes wrote: On 2/19/2012 1:24 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: > On 02/19/2012 06:18 AM, Richard Fobes wrote: >> ... >> More specifically, European politicians seem to be as clueless as U.S. >> politicians about what is needed to "create jobs" and restore wid

Re: [EM] An interesting scenario (spoilers, utility)

2012-02-29 Thread Jameson Quinn
This is indeed an interesting scenario. Something is particularly weak about those B>C preferences. It could be one of two things: 1) Maybe you're using some kind of trimmed or decaying utility function, where the difference between a candidate who's 2/3 units away and one who's 1 unit away is neg

[EM] The oldest bad-example trick in the book

2012-02-29 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Instructions for how to make a method look bad: Contrive an example in which the main contending candidates barely differ by the method's own standard, but in which those candidates differ humungously and outrageously by some other standard. In order to achieve the latter condition as strongly a

[EM] An interesting scenario (spoilers, utility)

2012-02-29 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hello, I have been adding some code to help investigate cases where Approval shows greater "perception of spoiler" than, say, IRV. To make the scenarios easier to visualize I just allocated six voting factions proportionately along 1D, positions ranging from -1 to 1.   I found an interesting cas