[EM] Regarding the districting solutions. My proposal in greater detail.

2012-06-07 Thread Michael Ossipoff
I looked up the proposed automated districting systems whose URLs were posted by Ted. They answered my question: I'd asked "Why haven't they been implemented?" Ted seemed to be implying that I naively believed that no one has ever discussed automated districting. Actually, it was discussed on EM s

Re: [EM] PR solutions (was: Gerrymandering solutions).

2012-06-07 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Juho & Jameson: Jameson: You describe a complicated new PR system. But why, when there are already good PR systems? Juho: Actually, I can see the justification of d'Hondt in party list PR, and of the Droop quota in STV: To someone who doesn't think PR is necessary anyway, what's so bad about sl

Re: [EM] PR solutions (was: Gerrymandering solutions).

2012-06-07 Thread Jameson Quinn
2012/6/7 Juho Laatu > On 7.6.2012, at 5.21, Michael Ossipoff wrote: > > Sainte-Lague isn't the only PR formula that is unbiased with respect to > party-size, but it's the only unbiased formula that doesn't share the > avoidable errors of STV and Largest Remainder. > > > Largest Reminder has some

Re: [EM] PR solutions (was: Gerrymandering solutions).

2012-06-07 Thread Juho Laatu
On 7.6.2012, at 21.44, Michael Ossipoff wrote: > Likewise, for a list system, where Sainte-Lague is available, there's no > reason to allow the paradoxes by using Largest Remainder. Ok, that's one viewpoint. I think that often the paradoxican properties of Largest Remainder are actually what we

Re: [EM] PR solutions (was: Gerrymandering solutions).

2012-06-07 Thread Michael Ossipoff
> On 7.6.2012, at 5.21, Michael Ossipoff wrote: > > > Sainte-Lague isn't the only PR formula that is unbiased with respect to > party-size, but it's the only unbiased formula that doesn't share the > avoidable errors of STV and Largest Remainder. > > > > Largest Reminder has

[EM] Bob--PR reply

2012-06-07 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Bob: Referring to my text, copied below, you wrote: > This does not accomplish what PR accomplishes. In fact, it does the opposite -- > over-represents the largest plurality at the expense of everybody else. How can > you think otherwise? I don't. I quite agree. If it accomplished what PR accomp

[EM] Do any of you have any thoughts about California's top-two primary?

2012-06-07 Thread Adrian Tawfik
I don't know if this has already been covered here, but do any of you have an opinion on the changes to California's primary system?  There is now a so-called 'top-two' methodology being used.  Where does this fit in with your group's Declaration?  Would anyone be interested in writing something

Re: [EM] Gerrymandering solutions.

2012-06-07 Thread Bob Richard
On 6/4/2012 10:18 PM, Michael Ossipoff wrote: [snip] 2. Whatever can be accomplished by PR can be accomplished by an at-large single winner election, because every single winner method can output a ranking of candidates instead of just one winner: Elect the winner. Then delete the winner from t

Re: [EM] PR solutions (was: Gerrymandering solutions).

2012-06-07 Thread Juho Laatu
On 7.6.2012, at 5.21, Michael Ossipoff wrote: > Sainte-Lague isn't the only PR formula that is unbiased with respect to > party-size, but it's the only unbiased formula that doesn't share the > avoidable errors of STV and Largest Remainder. Largest Reminder has some paradoxes but I wouldn't call