Re: [EM] Associated Student Government at Northwestern University uses Schulze Method

2013-04-20 Thread rbj
From: "Kevin Venzke" > It's true that *with the ballots as cast* any Condorcet-compliant method > would have > worked identically. � including no specific Condorcet method, since there was a CW. � > What you don't know until you try it, is whether voters would > actually cast those ball

Re: [EM] Associated Student Government at Northwestern University uses Schulze Method

2013-04-20 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, It's true that *with the ballots as cast* any Condorcet-compliant method would have worked identically. What you don't know until you try it, is whether voters would actually cast those ballots, given the incentives created by the method. That said, I don't see an obvious reason why Tideman

Re: [EM] a comment

2013-04-20 Thread David L Wetzell
Sure, I agree with NGOs/third-parties or intra-party elections as the natural places to experiment. Thanks for the history lesson. It seems that the prejudice of some in state supreme courts has contributed greatly to stunting the development of democracy by experiment. I think if we focus on ex

Re: [EM] a comment

2013-04-20 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:20 PM 4/20/2013, David L Wetzell wrote: If you're going to pit two election rules against each other by using them both and then have voters decide between the cases when they differ then you're going to have sample selection problems. The "comment" seemed to assume public elections. Vot

Re: [EM] Associated Student Government at Northwestern University uses Schulze Method

2013-04-20 Thread rbj
> since there was no cycle, any Condorcet compliant work have worked > identically.� if it had a cycle, since there were only three candidate > tickets, Schulze, Tideman, and MinMax would still have performed identically. � oops.� i realize that there were 4 candidate tickets and then 6 p

Re: [EM] a comment

2013-04-20 Thread Michael Allan
David, Which post are you commenting on? David L Wetzell said: > If you're going to pit two election rules against each other by using them > both and then have voters decide between the cases when they differ then > you're going to have sample > selection problems. For it's potentially more work

Re: [EM] Associated Student Government at Northwestern University uses Schulze Method

2013-04-20 Thread rbj
From: "Markus Schulze" > > on 19 April 2013, the Associated Student Government at > Northwestern University used the Schulze method to choose > its President. > > With 3471 cast ballots, this was the largest Schulze election > ever. See: > > https://asg.northwestern.edu/news/2013

[EM] a comment

2013-04-20 Thread David L Wetzell
If you're going to pit two election rules against each other by using them both and then have voters decide between the cases when they differ then you're going to have sample selection problems. For it's potentially more work, there might be a learning curve for many voters with some rules, which

Re: [EM] Current SODA not monotonic; fixable. (mono-voter-raise)

2013-04-20 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:09 PM 4/19/2013, Jameson Quinn wrote: Consider the following scenario in SODA: 1: A(>C>B>D) 2: B,X 2: C(>B>A>D) 1: D(>A>C>B) 1: null Presume all ties are predictably broken for the alphabetically-first candidate (without this presumption, you'd need larger numbers, but you could still m

[EM] Associated Student Government at Northwestern University uses Schulze Method

2013-04-20 Thread Markus Schulze
Hallo, on 19 April 2013, the Associated Student Government at Northwestern University used the Schulze method to choose its President. With 3471 cast ballots, this was the largest Schulze election ever. See: https://asg.northwestern.edu/news/2013/04/announcing-2013-asg-executive-elections-resul