Re: [EM] (Possibly) new method/request for voting paradoxes.

2009-10-13 Thread mrouse1
>robert bristow-johnson (please ignore my horrible editing in webmail.) >hi, >this is my first post to this list. i subscribed to it a while ago after some >internet searching on >issues regarding multi-candidate elections which i did after our recent >mayoral race in Burlington >Vermont (dun

Re: [EM] (Possibly) new method/request for voting paradoxes. :)

2009-10-13 Thread Juho
On Oct 13, 2009, at 9:01 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: On Oct 13, 2009, at 1:58 AM, Juho wrote: Welcome to the list! thanks. On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:48 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: it is also important to have a deterministic and monotonic measure of voter support that is under

Re: [EM] (Possibly) new method/request for voting paradoxes. :)

2009-10-13 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On Oct 13, 2009, at 1:58 AM, Juho wrote: Welcome to the list! thanks. On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:48 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: it is also important to have a deterministic and monotonic measure of voter support that is understandable to the less scholarly I have often promoted the me

Re: [EM] (Possibly) new method/request for voting paradoxes. :)

2009-10-13 Thread Juho
Welcome to the list! On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:48 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: it is also important to have a deterministic and monotonic measure of voter support that is understandable to the less scholarly I have often promoted the measure of least additional votes required to become a

Re: [EM] (Possibly) new method/request for voting paradoxes. :)

2009-10-12 Thread robert bristow-johnson
hi, this is my first post to this list. i subscribed to it a while ago after some internet searching on issues regarding multi-candidate elections which i did after our recent mayoral race in Burlington Vermont (dunno if you heard about it or not). On Oct 12, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Dave Ket

Re: [EM] (Possibly) new method/request for voting paradoxes. :)

2009-10-12 Thread Dave Ketchum
To look for a better sway to resolve cycles is worthy. However, I still do not see the gain in what you offer, considering the expense. Each of the members of a cycle would be winner if only one of them ran. When they are close to a tie it matters little which wins. When far away the

Re: [EM] (Possibly) new method/request for voting paradoxes. :)

2009-10-12 Thread Michael Rouse
The additional complexity is to break cycles and come up with a complete preference order. In one of the examples below, 5: A>B>C 3: B>C>A 4: C>A>B the cycle was resolved as A>B>C. I just wanted to show that it picked the Condorcet winner in the absence of cycles. Like other Condorcet methods

Re: [EM] (Possibly) new method/request for voting paradoxes. :)

2009-10-11 Thread Dave Ketchum
What is the point to all this? Looks much more complex than I sketch below, but I do not see value in the extra effort: For 10 candidates, fill a 10x10 matrix - for A vs B need an entry counting A>B and one for B>A. With luck about 9 comparisons will identify winner since each identifies

Re: [EM] (Possibly) new method/request for voting paradoxes. :)

2009-10-11 Thread Michael Rouse
This method always selects the Condorcet winner if there are an odd number of voters with no ties or circular ambiguities. *With respect to a particular candidate,* the other candidates must form a single uniquely-preferred rank order, with a single peak in ranking score at the (composite) medi

Re: [EM] (Possibly) new method/request for voting paradoxes. :)

2009-10-08 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Michael, very interesting, I don't think I saw anything like this before. When trying do evaluate a new method, I always try to check very simple criteria first, like neutrality and anonymity (obviously fulfilled here), Pareto efficiency, monotonicity, etc. Concerning the latter two, I was n

[EM] (Possibly) new method/request for voting paradoxes. :)

2009-10-07 Thread Michael Rouse
As usual with such posts, there is a good chance someone has come up with the same (or very similar) method, but I thought it had interesting properties, and was wondering what glaring voting paradoxes it had. In addition, the number of possible orders is overwhelming if there are a large numbe