[EM] Comments on the declaration and on a few voting systems

2011-10-15 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Oops! I forgot that B voters ranked C. . Yes, C wins, even though C has a very low Plurality score. . But PC isn't intended to be Plurality. In fact, none of us want Plurality, so why should we use it for the standard for evaluating propoed replacemens for it? Plurality is not what we want.

Re: [EM] Comments on the declaration and on a few voting systems

2011-10-14 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Mike,   Nice to see you back. --- En date de : Ven 14.10.11, MIKE OSSIPOFF a écrit : > Venzke's MMPO example > A > B = C >    1 A = C > B >   1 B = C > A > B > A = C . > and C wins. That seems quite counterintuitive. . . Yes. C is the Condorcet loser.   But is Kevin sure that

Re: [EM] Comments on the declaration and on a few voting systems

2011-10-14 Thread Richard Fobes
The biggest criticism of the Declaration of Election-Method Reform Advocates has been that it is too long. I agree that we should educate voters, but the Declaration is not the appropriate place to get into lots of detail. There is a need for general-audience materials online (as indicated in

Re: [EM] Comments on the declaration and on a few voting systems

2011-10-14 Thread Juho Laatu
If that one example set of votes is "bad enough" for MMPO, then how about this example for PC(wv)? 49 A 48 B > C 03 C Juho P.S. Welcome back On 14.10.2011, at 22.40, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: > > Venzke's MMPO example > > > A > B = C > >1 A = C > B > > 1 B = C > A > > B > A = C

[EM] Comments on the declaration and on a few voting systems

2011-10-14 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
> Venzke's MMPO example > A > B = C >1 A = C > B > 1 B = C > A > B > A = C . > and C wins. That seems quite counterintuitive. . . Yes. C is the Condorcet loser. But is Kevin sure that C wins in that example? . A is the CW. As I propose MMPO, it starts out looking for a CW. It wo

Re: [EM] Comments on the declaration and on a few voting systems

2011-10-14 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: MMPO: When someone, probably Forest, proposed MMPO, I said that it was very significantly better than PC, so much so that I called it a member of a new generation of rank-methods. But, now, I don’t know why I said that. Looking at the requirements for offensive order-r