Re: [EM] Dave: Condorcet

2012-04-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:57 PM 4/1/2012, robert bristow-johnson wrote: On 4/1/12 2:23 PM, Dave Ketchum wrote: On Mar 28, 2012, at 10:42 AM, MIKE OSSIPOFF (whom i've plonked) wrote: Dave: You wrote: Which leaves me promoting Condorcet. It allows ranking but, unlike ABucklin or IRV, all that a voter ranks gets

Re: [EM] Dave: Condorcet

2012-04-02 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 04/02/2012 03:49 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 08:57 PM 4/1/2012, robert bristow-johnson wrote: Approval applies a burden of tactical voting to the voter right from the start. In other words, a burden of responsibility for the effect of our actions on the world. Those who would

Re: [EM] Dave: Condorcet

2012-04-02 Thread Richard Fobes
On 4/2/2012 6:42 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Simply put, a majority of a majority is not the same thing as a majority. Similarly, the favorite of your favorite may not be the same as your favorite. So it's not that cut-and-dried. I liked this comment so much that I tweeted what I could

[EM] Dave: Condorcet

2012-04-02 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Dave wrote: With Condorcet I can rank Fine above Soso, so that my ranking can improve the chance of Fine getting elected, while Soso has a chance if Fine fails. [endquote] No you can't--Not unless Condorcet is enacted. Condorcetists are missing that little detail. When you advocate

Re: [EM] Dave: Condorcet

2012-04-01 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Mar 28, 2012, at 10:42 AM, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: Dave: You wrote: Which leaves me promoting Condorcet. It allows ranking but, unlike ABucklin or IRV, all that a voter ranks gets counted. Further, any voter able to match their desires to Plurality or Approval for a particular election, can

Re: [EM] Dave: Condorcet

2012-04-01 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 4/1/12 2:23 PM, Dave Ketchum wrote: On Mar 28, 2012, at 10:42 AM, MIKE OSSIPOFF (whom i've plonked) wrote: Dave: You wrote: Which leaves me promoting Condorcet. It allows ranking but, unlike ABucklin or IRV, all that a voter ranks gets counted. Further, any voter able to match their

Re: [EM] Dave: Condorcet

2012-04-01 Thread Jameson Quinn
2012/4/1 robert bristow-johnson r...@audioimagination.com On 4/1/12 2:23 PM, Dave Ketchum wrote: On Mar 28, 2012, at 10:42 AM, MIKE OSSIPOFF (whom i've plonked) wrote: Dave: You wrote: Which leaves me promoting Condorcet. It allows ranking but, unlike ABucklin or IRV, all that a voter

[EM] Dave: Condorcet

2012-03-28 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Dave: You wrote: Which leaves me promoting Condorcet. It allows ranking but, unlike ABucklin or IRV, all that a voter ranks gets counted. Further, any voter able to match their desires to Plurality or Approval for a particular election, can vote by those rules and have them counted