Re: [EM] Forced strictly-dishonest strategy is common in Schulze-beatpaths voting

2009-06-14 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Dan Bishop wrote: You can't just assume that people would vote strategically in Schulze elections because they vote strategically in Plurality elections. The question of what strategy will be used and to what extent is a quite difficult one. On one hand, individually speaking, voting is not "w

Re: [EM] Forced strictly-dishonest strategy is common in Schulze-beatpaths voting

2009-06-13 Thread Dan Bishop
Warren Smith wrote: I don't follow most of what you (Michael Poole) said. However, re your final paragraph So accepting, arguendo, that 75% of voters might -- a posteriori -- gain expected utility from strategic order reversal, to conclude how they would feel about that requires an argument

Re: [EM] Forced strictly-dishonest strategy is common in Schulze-beatpaths voting

2009-06-13 Thread Jan Kok
Warren wrote: > I have news for you.   The concept of "strategic voting" is entirely > about caring more about  vanishingly small gains in utility than about > honesty. It's not vanishingly small if you think about it from a team perspective. Teamwork is part of human nature. The cavemen probably

Re: [EM] Forced strictly-dishonest strategy is common in Schulze-beatpaths voting

2009-06-13 Thread Warren Smith
I don't follow most of what you (Michael Poole) said. However, re your final paragraph >So accepting, arguendo, that 75% of voters might -- a posteriori -- >gain expected utility from strategic order reversal, to conclude how >they would feel about that requires an argument that they care more >ab

Re: [EM] Forced strictly-dishonest strategy is common in Schulze-beatpaths voting

2009-06-13 Thread Michael Poole
Warren Smith writes: > I will sketch a proof that, in Schulze beatpaths voting in "random" > N-candidate V-voter elections (V-->infinity, N fixed): > with probability > a positive constant C (where C goes to 1 as > N-->infinity): > at least a constant fraction K of the voters (where K goes

[EM] Forced strictly-dishonest strategy is common in Schulze-beatpaths voting

2009-06-12 Thread Warren Smith
I will sketch a proof that, in Schulze beatpaths voting in "random" N-candidate V-voter elections (V-->infinity, N fixed): with probability > a positive constant C (where C goes to 1 as N-->infinity): at least a constant fraction K of the voters (where K goes to 3/4 as N-->infinity) wil