Re: [EM] Fwd: how goes American PR?

2011-12-05 Thread Ted Stern
On 05 Dec 2011 12:46:41 -0800, Ted Stern wrote: > > The simplest PR system: open list Approval Transferable Vote. > > ATF for multiwinner elections: Correction, ATV. Blame it on Monday ... -- Ted > > Quota ("easy"): Q = (Nballots + 1)/(Nseats + 1) > > A voter may approve any number of candida

Re: [EM] Fwd: how goes American PR?

2011-12-05 Thread Ted Stern
The simplest PR system: open list Approval Transferable Vote. ATF for multiwinner elections: Quota ("easy"): Q = (Nballots + 1)/(Nseats + 1) A voter may approve any number of candidates. Each ballot is initially weighted as 1.0. Count weighted approval totals. At same time, count weighted a

Re: [EM] Fwd: how goes American PR?

2011-12-03 Thread robert bristow-johnson
so Jan, i heard that you were for "keeping plurality voting over IRV in Fort Collins". is that true? do you continue to feel the same way about FPTP vs. IRV? On 12/3/11 3:37 PM, Jan Kok wrote: The US President's power is huge. He can veto bills passed by Congress, and he can start wars. An

Re: [EM] Fwd: how goes American PR?

2011-12-03 Thread Jameson Quinn
I left out one of the most important advantages of PAL voting: that it's dead simple for voters. Though you can vote a more-expressive ballot if you want to, a simple bullet vote is enough to give good, proportional but not party-centric, results. Jameson 2011/12/3 Jameson Quinn > Does "America

Re: [EM] Fwd: how goes American PR?

2011-12-03 Thread Jameson Quinn
Does "American PR" have a specific meaning yet? I'm sure I'll be in favor of it, whatever PR variant it is; but while I'm still ignorant, let me guess a little. I doubt it's a mixed-member system. They're good, but the US, despite (or perhaps because of) being one of the most partisan countries ar

Re: [EM] Fwd: how goes American PR?

2011-12-03 Thread David L Wetzell
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Jan Kok wrote: > If Richie/FairVote wants to focus their energy on pushing proportional > representation, that's wonderful! I personally won't "quibble" about > PR methods, and will support and vote for pretty much any PR method. > > However, there will always be a

Re: [EM] Fwd: how goes American PR?

2011-12-03 Thread robert bristow-johnson
thank you, Jan. well put. i would prefer to be on the same side as Rob Ritchie and FairVote, but i just cannot abide with the IRV happy talk. it was a mistake to bundle and sell the Hare/STV method of tabulation along with the ranked-ballot. and, unfortunately in Burlington, both were re

Re: [EM] Fwd: how goes American PR?

2011-12-03 Thread Jan Kok
If Richie/FairVote wants to focus their energy on pushing proportional representation, that's wonderful! I personally won't "quibble" about PR methods, and will support and vote for pretty much any PR method. However, there will always be a need for single-winner methods, for single-winner offices

[EM] Fwd: how goes American PR?

2011-12-03 Thread David L Wetzell
American PR is a coming. You must decide if you want to keep quibbling over the best single-winner election rule or push hard for a better mix of multi and single-winner election rules in the US. dlw -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob Richie Date: Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 11:05 AM Subj