Re: [EM] How to combine list and candidate ranking based proportionality?

2010-05-23 Thread Raph Frank
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Aaron Armitage wrote: > I've considered the question myself, although I've never described my > ideas publicly. Now's as good an opportunity as any. > > I came at it from the opposite direction, so to speak; trying to graft > lists onto STV to make it scalable, rat

Re: [EM] How to combine list and candidate ranking based proportionality?

2010-05-23 Thread Juho
On May 23, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Aaron Armitage wrote: I've considered the question myself, although I've never described my ideas publicly. Now's as good an opportunity as any. I came at it from the opposite direction, so to speak; trying to graft lists onto STV to make it scalable, rather than a

Re: [EM] How to combine list and candidate ranking based proportionality?

2010-05-23 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Aaron Armitage wrote: I've considered the question myself, although I've never described my ideas publicly. Now's as good an opportunity as any. [snip] The first way of adding lists to STV is simple: you list your candidates, and last you put a list, which fills out the rest of your preferenc

Re: [EM] How to combine list and candidate ranking based proportionality?

2010-05-23 Thread Aaron Armitage
I've considered the question myself, although I've never described my ideas publicly. Now's as good an opportunity as any. I came at it from the opposite direction, so to speak; trying to graft lists onto STV to make it scalable, rather than adding candidate rankings to a list system. The basic id

Re: [EM] How to combine list and candidate ranking based proportionality?

2010-05-22 Thread Juho
On May 22, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Juho wrote: Simple question, simple answer. Use lists between parties (or other groupings) and candidate ranking within them. Open lists try to implement proportionality within the lists in one quite primitive way. Use of candidate

Re: [EM] How to combine list and candidate ranking based proportionality?

2010-05-22 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Juho wrote: Simple question, simple answer. Use lists between parties (or other groupings) and candidate ranking within them. Open lists try to implement proportionality within the lists in one quite primitive way. Use of candidate ranking within the parties allows us to offer also proper part

Re: [EM] How to combine list and candidate ranking based proportionality?

2010-05-21 Thread Juho
On May 22, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Raph Frank wrote: The ballot layout issues would still be there. If the voter is to be able to rank all candidates, then you need to have each candidate's name on the ballot. Yes, the candidates have to be listed somewhere. Ballots could be shorter if there woul

Re: [EM] How to combine list and candidate ranking based proportionality?

2010-05-21 Thread Raph Frank
The ballot layout issues would still be there. If the voter is to be able to rank all candidates, then you need to have each candidate's name on the ballot. It would still save time, since you could sort the ballots into piles for each party. Also, coalition negotiations could start once the par

[EM] How to combine list and candidate ranking based proportionality?

2010-05-21 Thread Juho
Simple question, simple answer. Use lists between parties (or other groupings) and candidate ranking within them. Open lists try to implement proportionality within the lists in one quite primitive way. Use of candidate ranking within the parties allows us to offer also proper party interna