[EM] Kristofer: Approval vs Condorcet, 4/28/12

2012-04-28 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Kristofer: On 04/27/2012 07:32 PM, Michael Ossipoff wrote:>* ...but wouldn't it be better not to have the disadvantags?* You replied: Sure. It would be better to make Arrow and G&S go away, but it's not going to happen. [endquote] Neither Arrow, Gibbard, not Sattterthwaite has ever said that a voti

Re: [EM] Kristofer: Approval vs Condorcet, 4/28/12

2012-04-28 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Michael Ossipoff wrote: For one thing, Condorcet discourages honesty, because, even if you top-rank Compromise, top-ranking Favorite too can cause Compromise to lose to Worse. when ranking Compromise _alone_ in 1st place would have defeated Worse. To do

Re: [EM] Kristofer: Approval vs Condorcet, 4/28/12

2012-04-28 Thread Paul Kislanko
-boun...@lists.electorama.com [mailto:election-methods-boun...@lists.electorama.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ketchum Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:15 PM To: Michael Ossipoff Cc: election-meth...@electorama.com Subject: Re: [EM] Kristofer: Approval vs Condorcet, 4/28/12 On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Michael Ossipoff

Re: [EM] Kristofer: Approval vs Condorcet, 4/28/12

2012-04-28 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 4/28/12 11:46 PM, Paul Kislanko wrote: It fails when approval is used as vote counting method. In approval COUNTING, if you voted Favorite above Compromise, you vote Favorite EQUAL Compromise, and even though you don't like Compromise, you helped elect the idiot. i've been saying this for mon

Re: [EM] Kristofer: Approval vs Condorcet, 4/28/12

2012-04-29 Thread Dave Ketchum
As the subject indicates, the topic is Approval vs Condorcet. To Mike O: How did we get here? To RBJ: Thanks for clarifications. On Apr 29, 2012, at 12:47 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: ... On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Michael Ossipoff wrote: For one thing, Condorcet discourages h

Re: [EM] Kristofer: Approval vs Condorcet, 4/28/12

2012-05-02 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
(Oops - seems that I clicked "Reply" instead of "Reply to All". Let's try that again.) --- It appears that your mail program has seriously mangled your reply, bunching up all the text into a single block. In addition, it seems to have sent multiple versions of your reply in the same message.