Re: [Election-Methods] Challenge: Elect the comprom ise when there're only 2 factions

2007-08-31 Thread heitzig-j
Dear Abd ul-Rahman, > No. That's consensus. Consent is individual acceptance of a result, > majority consent refers to consent by a majority. Yes, obviously I was confusing the two :-) > >It is not democratic whenever some group can impose its will on the > >others (in the sense of making thei

Re: [Election-Methods] Challenge: Elect the comprom ise when there're only 2 factions

2007-08-27 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Abd ul-Rahman, > No. It's an understanding of what utilities mean. If you think so... > If A does not win, > the supporters of A lose something. They are in the majority. If each > of them grabs a B supporter and wrestles with him, or her, I suppose, > the excess A supporters can then a

Re: [Election-Methods] Challenge: Elect the comprom ise when there're only 2 factions

2007-08-25 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Abd ul-Rahman, > Okay, here is my solution. The B voters gain some very substantial > advantage for the election of C over the favorite of the A voters, > who have only a substantially smaller preference for A over C. > > So the B voters offer something of value to the A voters to > compe

Re: [Election-Methods] Challenge: Elect the comprom ise when there're only 2 factions

2007-08-25 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Brian! > But to me the end of the strategy discussion is that the A faction > could simply bullet vote and no system can recover from a simple > majority of votes {A=100,B=0,C=0}. If that was so, I would not have posed the question :-) There are methods that will lead to the election of

Re: [Election-Methods] Challenge: Elect the comprom ise when there're only 2 factions

2007-08-24 Thread heitzig-j
Dear Diego, > In most societies, the "majority dictatorship" is not a major problem because > electors' preferences shift along time, and the 49% can became the > majoritarian faction in the next elections. They may become a majority but often they are not for a long time. As you don't seem to

Re: [Election-Methods] Challenge: Elect the comprom ise when there're only 2 factions

2007-08-23 Thread heitzig-j
> I dislike any undeterministic method, except for tie-braking And I dislike methods that give all power to only one half of the voters and can be used to oppress 49% of the electorate :-) _ In 5 Schritten zur eigenen Homep

Re: [Election-Methods] Challenge: Elect the comprom ise when there're only 2 factions

2007-08-23 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Abd ul-Rahman, > Oh! You want a democratic election method! You got the point! I am not thinking a method that gives all power to one person is democratic. By the way, I also don't think a method which gives all power to 51% of the voters is democratic. This is what the challenge is all a

Re: [Election-Methods] Challenge: Elect the comprom ise when there're only 2 factions

2007-08-23 Thread heitzig-j
Dear Rob! It is possible (otherwise I would not have posted this challenge :-) But of course it is not possible with a majoritarian method (that's what you observed). Keep on, one of the possible solutions is really simple (though not very good in other respects)... > -Ursprüngliche Nachr