[Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

- What do you think of this lawsuit? Kathy -- Forwarded message -- From: Raging Grannie (Wanda B) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Dec 22, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV go to FairVoteMN.org if you have trouble viewing t

Re: [Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

I have to hope the lawsuit fails, for it is attacking ranked choice, which is a good way to give voters power. Could wish for attacking weaknesses of IRV, for it is too ready to declare undeserving candidates as winners. Related to this, I question whether the many claiming to understand IRV s

Re: [Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

At 12:12 AM 12/23/2007, Kathy Dopp wrote: >- >What do you think of this lawsuit? >Kathy I've done a fair amount of study on Brown v. Smallwood, and it's worth reading. Google it; there is a copy of the decision on rangevoting.org. >FairVote Minnesota Responds to Lawsuit Against Instant Runoff V

Re: [Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

- Thanks for your comments Abd ul-Rahman Lomax (what name should I call you?) I do find that ballots (2nd choices) of some, but not all voters is considered with IRV, and hence my opinion is that it does not treat all voters' ballots equally and should be considered illegal under any law that req

Re: [Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (on 25 December 2007 10:11:47 -0700), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kathy Dopp) wrote: > I do find that ballots (2nd choices) of some, but not all >voters is considered with IRV, and hence my opinion is that it does >not treat all voters' ballots equally and should be considered

Re: [Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:55:41 -0500 > From: Dave Ketchum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Election-Methods] RE : Re: Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN > RespondstoLawsuit Against IRV > James' discussion of history leading up to IRV makes sense, and IRV often > doing counting second choic

Re: [Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

> I have to say that I like the Condorcet method better than IRV because > it does seem to treat the ballots equally - as long as voters vote for > the same number of candidates - but I still don't like it as much as a > system that weights a voter's first choice more than a voter's second > choice

Re: [Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:41:12 -0700 Kathy Dopp wrote: > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:55:41 -0500 > >>From: Dave Ketchum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: [Election-Methods] RE : Re: Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN >>RespondstoLawsuit Against IRV >>James' discussion of history leading up to IR

Re: [Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

On Dec 26, 2007 6:53 PM, Juho Laatu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Condocet methods do not put any additional weight on first position > on the ballot. Vote Gore>Bush>Paul>Nader is considered to be equally > strong in saying "Gore is better than Bush" than e.g. vote > Nader>Paul>Gore>Bush. Juho,

Re: [Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

Thanks Dave, I think I understand Condorcet now and what the = signs are for, and I like Condorcet and see no immediate drawbacks to its tabulation method like I do to the IRV tabulation method. I would urge that we get a handle on ensuring that our vote counts are accurate prior to using any but

Re: [Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

Dave already explained the use of the equal sign. I was just lazy to invent any specific order in my example ballots so I used simple ties. Voters are free to list all of them in their order of preference. Condorcet methods are good methods in such sense that they are not very vulnerable to

Re: [Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:35:44 +0200 Juho Laatu wrote: > Dave already explained the use of the equal sign. I was just lazy to > invent any specific order in my example ballots so I used simple > ties. Voters are free to list all of them in their order of preference. > And equal unites a pair of