[EM] Re: Improved Generalised Bucklin

2003-08-22 Thread Chris Benham
I have recently spotted another blunder in the presentation of my suggested new voting method. I wrote: A recent example from James Green-Armytage (Sun. 17-8-03). 46: ABC 44: BCA 05: CAB 05: CBA According to James, his 44 BCA voters are insincerely order-reversing (trying a Burial

[EM] Re: Improved Generalised Bucklin

2003-08-22 Thread Eric Gorr
At 3:05 AM +0930 8/23/03, Chris Benham wrote: In reference to this example: 31: BAECD 23: CBAED 25: DACEB 11: DCBAE 10: EACBD 100 voters, the Smith set is ABC. On Thursday,August 21, 2003 Eric Gorr wrote: This example contains a simple cycle between ABC. It is clear that DE are not preferred

Re: [EM] Cheering for simplicity/Orphan

2003-08-22 Thread John B. Hodges
The complaints against STV, as I recall, boiled down to just like IRV, STV will sometimes eliminate the wrong candidate. It is not monotonic, so sometimes you get spoiler effects and perverse incentives. The orphan method is one step more complicated than IRV/STV, but it is still a simple method.

[EM] Critics and Advocates

2003-08-22 Thread John B. Hodges
Subject: Re: [EM] Cheering for simplicity/Orphan From: Joe Mason On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 10:41:39PM -0500, Adam Haas Tarr wrote: 2) Since it is a Condorcet-compliant method, it shares all the weaknesses that all Condorcet methods have in the eyes of the IRV advocates (i.e. the weak center

[EM] Re: Cheering for simplicity/Orphan

2003-08-22 Thread Rob LeGrand
John B. Hodges wrote: CPO-STV is an awesome multiseat method, conceptually. I'm wondering if there is a computationally efficient way of arriving at the same ideal ensemble. My For Dummies guess is that the ideal ensemble will never include a Condorcet loser and will always include a

Re: [EM] Critics and Advocates

2003-08-22 Thread Adam Tarr
John B. Hodges wrote: Subject: Re: [EM] Cheering for simplicity/Orphan From: Joe Mason On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 10:41:39PM -0500, Adam Haas Tarr wrote: 2) Since it is a Condorcet-compliant method, it shares all the weaknesses that all Condorcet methods have in the eyes of the IRV advocates