Re: [EM] Re: Hand counting election methods

2003-11-17 Thread Bart Ingles
Gervase Lam wrote: > > > The 2x2x2 grid can of course be extended yet again to a 2x2x2x2 grid by > > using two sheets of paper. The first sheet is for those who voted Yes > > for candidate A while the other is for those who voted No for candidate > > A. The top grid on each page is for those wh

Re: [EM] Hand counting election methods

2003-11-17 Thread Bart Ingles
Marking up a pairwise matrix seems a bit of work to me, even for a single ballot. You might hold your thumb next to the first candidate on the ballot, and tick off boxes in a matrix for each candidate that first candidate beats. Next, move your thumb down one line on the ballot and repeat the pr

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-17 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:37:09 + Gervase Lam wrote: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:59:28 -0500 From: Dave Ketchum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights? It depends on whether you do Disk-At-Once or Track-At-Once recording. If you do Disk-At-Once (i.e. write all the b

[EM] Re: Hand counting election methods

2003-11-17 Thread Gervase Lam
> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:11:01 -0500 > From: Dave Ketchum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights? > CONDORCET:  Choices here also: >       Count as in Plurality?  Tempting, since a majority winner would > end the task. That's it! You've reminded me of a way t

[EM] Re: Hand counting election methods

2003-11-17 Thread Gervase Lam
> The 2x2x2 grid can of course be extended yet again to a 2x2x2x2 grid by > using two sheets of paper. The first sheet is for those who voted Yes > for candidate A while the other is for those who voted No for candidate > A. The top grid on each page is for those who voted Yes for candidate B > wh

Re: [EM] Hand counting election methods

2003-11-17 Thread Eric Gorr
At 11:32 PM + 11/17/03, Gervase Lam wrote: as finding a good way to hand count Condorcet makes my brain hurt! Why? Seems rather trivial to me. Just take a subset of the ballots and hand compute a pairwise matrix for each subset. Take each of these pairwise matrices and add them together. R

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-17 Thread Gervase Lam
> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:59:28 -0500 > From: Dave Ketchum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights? > > It depends on whether you do Disk-At-Once or Track-At-Once recording. > >  If you do Disk-At-Once (i.e. write all the ballots in one go), then > > what I said

[EM] Hand counting election methods

2003-11-17 Thread Gervase Lam
> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:59:39 +0100 > From: David GLAUDE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights? > I would like to know wich one are possible to handle with manual > counting on large scale. I am sure there are lots that can be hand counted. It depends on ho

[EM] Recount and Party Proportionality:

2003-11-17 Thread Donald Davison
Greetings list, November 17, 2003 Jim Riley wrote: "Arguably, the first runners-up method serves as a correction for a source of disproportionality under STV - the extra quota." Donald: Yes, it could be argued that the entire proportionality of the original elect

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-17 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:37:00 - James Gilmour wrote: David GLAUDE asked: Once again as this list is dedicated to advanced voting/counting method. I would like to know which one are possible to handle with manual counting on large scale. Manual sorting and counting works OK for STV-PR in pub

RE: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-17 Thread James Gilmour
David GLAUDE asked: Once again as this list is dedicated to advanced voting/counting method. I would like to know which one are possible to handle with manual counting on large scale. Manual sorting and counting works OK for STV-PR in public elections. All electronic voting introduced for the