Re: [EM] Approval strategy from rankings

2004-01-05 Thread Bart Ingles
Bart Ingles wrote: > The main reason is that, while we have no information about the voters' > utilities for each candidate, the voters themselves surely would. > MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: > They don't. That's the assumption. All I said was that, if a voter doesn't > have opinions about rating the c

[EM] Election districts (was bicameral design poll)

2004-01-05 Thread matt
Stephane wrote >> I keep thinking that one of the chamber should use non-geographical districts. >> For an example using 40 seats you could use the day and month of birth. So for >> this chamber, no gerrymanderring, no dealing for votes, no seat reserved for >> candidates friends of the party chi

RE: [EM] Re: bicameral design poll

2004-01-05 Thread James Gilmour
> > > Interesting question. I agree with your answer except for > > > the size of the districts. According to Duverger, a district > > > size of 10 supports 11 parties. > > > > What does this statement mean? I am not aware that there is any > > direct relationship between district magnitude

RE: [EM] Re: bicameral design poll

2004-01-05 Thread James Gilmour
Stephane wrote > Sincerely, > I believe any geographic linkage is source of clientelism > (favourism) between elected officials and their electorate. > I keep thinking that one of the chamber should use > non-geographical districts. > For an example using 40 seats you could use the day and month

[EM] Re: Testing 1 2 3

2004-01-05 Thread Dgamble997
A couple of points: Bart Ingles wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Bart Ingles wrote: >> >> >But truncation is equivalent to equal last-choice preference for all of >> >the methods listed below. >> >> Yes, it is equivalent but expressing an equal preference for two or >> more candidates is

Re: [EM] Re: bicameral design poll

2004-01-05 Thread Stephane Rouillon
Sincerely, I believe any geographic linkage is source of clientelism (favourism) between elected officials and their electorate. I keep thinking that one of the chamber should use non-geographical districts. For an example using 40 seats you could use the day and month of birth. Seat number

Re: [EM] Approval strategy from rankings

2004-01-05 Thread Stephane Rouillon
  MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote : (David Gamble I think) continued: Thus in a four-way race, for a block of voters with identical preference orders, I would assume that 1/3 approve of three candidates, 1/3 approve two candidates, and the final 1/3 bullet vote. I believe this would give results identical to

Re: [EM] Approval strategy from rankings

2004-01-05 Thread Stephane Rouillon
  MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote : (David Gamble I think) continued: Thus in a four-way race, for a block of voters with identical preference orders, I would assume that 1/3 approve of three candidates, 1/3 approve two candidates, and the final 1/3 bullet vote. I believe this would give results identical to

[EM] Blake Cretney's email adress

2004-01-05 Thread Stephane Rouillon
Anyone with his latest email adress? Host condorcet.org is not responding. The following recipients did not receive this message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Thanks, Steph Election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] bicameral design poll

2004-01-05 Thread Alex Small
Jeffrey ONeill said: > Hi Alex, > > Interesting question. I agree with your answer except for the size of > the districts. According to Duverger, a district size of 10 supports 11 > parties. If each party runs a full slate, then there would be 110 > candidates. I would prefer a district size of

[EM] pSTV v0.2

2004-01-05 Thread Jeffrey O'Neill
I've just released version 0.2 of pSTV. There have been many changes since the previous version and this release is fully functional with no known bugs (yet). The most significant change is that ERS97 rules are fully implemented and the results have been compared extensively with eSTV. Methods a

Re: [EM] The Nash Equilibrium method for counting rankings. Other 'player' definition.

2004-01-05 Thread Alex Small
Rob Speer said: > On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 04:07:08PM +, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: >> >> I believe it was probably Alex who once suggested a method that >> chooses the candidate who wins at Nash equilibrium. >> >> Alex, could you repeat that method definition again? I never designed such a method.

[EM] Re: bicameral design poll

2004-01-05 Thread Jeffrey O'Neill
> From: "James Gilmour" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Jeff wrote: > > Interesting question. I agree with your answer except for > > the size of the districts. According to Duverger, a district > > size of 10 supports 11 parties. > > What does this statement mean? I am not aware that there is any

Re: [EM] The Nash Equilibrium method for counting rankings. Other "player" definition.

2004-01-05 Thread Rob Speer
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 04:07:08PM +, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: > > I believe it was probably Alex who once suggested a method that chooses the > candidate who wins at Nash equilibrium. > > Alex, could you repeat that method definition again? There's probably been more than one method like this.

[EM] Re: bicameral design poll

2004-01-05 Thread Rob LeGrand
Jeffrey O'Neill wrote: > In MA, the smaller house is 40 and the larger house is 160. I think it > would be desirable to create districts solely for the smaller house and > then use the same districts as 4-member districts for the larger house. > This would create an interesting geographical linkag

RE: [EM] bicameral design poll

2004-01-05 Thread James Gilmour
Jeff wrote: > Interesting question. I agree with your answer except for > the size of the districts. According to Duverger, a district > size of 10 supports 11 parties. What does this statement mean? I am not aware that there is any direct relationship between district magnitude and the num

[EM] Typo

2004-01-05 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I said: Ties are solved by having all the rankings give an Approval vote to each of their ranked candidates. That should say "...to each of their ranked candidates who are in the tie". So it should say: Ties are solved by having all the rankings give an Approval vote to each of their ranked can

[EM] The Nash Equilibrium method for counting rankings. Other "player" definition.

2004-01-05 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I believe it was probably Alex who once suggested a method that chooses the candidate who wins at Nash equilibrium. Alex, could you repeat that method definition again? It sounds like a promising method. I was suggesting that, for Nash equilbrium for voting, a "player" be a set of same-voting

Re: [EM] bicameral design poll

2004-01-05 Thread Jeffrey O'Neill
Hi Alex, Interesting question. I agree with your answer except for the size of the districts. According to Duverger, a district size of 10 supports 11 parties. If each party runs a full slate, then there would be 110 candidates. I would prefer a district size of 4-5 to reduce the number of can

[EM] Condorcet's words

2004-01-05 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Condorcet wrote ("Essai sur l'application de l'analyse a la probabilite des decisions rendues a la pluralite des voix," Imprimerie Royale, Paris, p. LXVIII of the introduction, 1785): From the considerations we have just made we get the general rule that whenever we have to choose we have to take s

[EM] Sincere voting till one finds out about the strategy problem.

2004-01-05 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Chris said: "For IRV, sincere rankings are fine, because IRV has its serious strategy problems even if everyone votes sincerely." Isn't the phrase "strategy problems..if everyone votes sincerely" oxymoronic? I repl

[EM] Approval _is_ like sincere Borda.

2004-01-05 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Sure, on the average, Approval is like sincere Borda. Surely often they'd both give the same result. Sorry if I misunderstood and replied as if you'd meant they always do. One is more likely to vote for one's 2nd choice than one's 3rd choice, and so, overall, the effect could be like Borda. A

[EM] Approval strategy from rankings

2004-01-05 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
In Approval, everyone should vote strategically. When there's no information about other voters' preferences or voting plans, people should vote for the above-mean candidates. But if the voter doesn't have ratings, but only a ranking of the candidates, then, as I said, s/he should vote for the b