[EM] Districting Quests: Quixotic vs Practical

2004-01-21 Thread Joe Weinstein
DISTRICTING QUESTS: QUIXOTIC VS PRACTICAL On this list we’ve lately posted a number of messages concerning districting. At one point we called the topic ‘automated districting’ - but it should be clear that ‘automation’ is a possible means, not an end, in the design of an effective distric

Re: [EM] To Bill Lewis Clark re: stepping-stone

2004-01-21 Thread Eric Gorr
At 9:01 PM -0500 1/21/04, Bill Lewis Clark wrote: First and foremost, IRV is a change. Change is perfectly capable of doing more harm then good. Any change at all gets people thinking about election system reform. That's a good thing. The natural desire to stick with the status quo is the bigges

Re: [EM] To Bill Lewis Clark re: stepping-stone

2004-01-21 Thread Bill Lewis Clark
> IRV is not, in any way, an improvement - that is the point. I believe Mike would agree with you, but I don't think this is as clear-cut as you both seem to think it is. First and foremost, IRV is a change. Any change at all gets people thinking about election system reform. That's a good thin

Re: [EM] To Bill Lewis Clark re: stepping-stone

2004-01-21 Thread Eric Gorr
At 6:40 PM -0500 1/21/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Ossipoff wrote: Is that what happened in Australia? And don't say that IRV hasn't committed its failures in Australia. It wouldn't show up in the data that are recorded >and published. What are you saying here Mike? That even though you can

Re: [EM] To Bill Lewis Clark re: stepping-stone

2004-01-21 Thread Dgamble997
Mike Ossipoff wrote: >Is that what happened in Australia? And don't say that IRV hasn't committed >its failures in Australia. It wouldn't show up in the data that are recorded >and published. What are you saying here Mike? That even though you can find none of IRV's failures in recorded and pub

Re: [EM] Inferring Approval Strategy From Ranked Ballots

2004-01-21 Thread Dgamble997
Forrest Simmons wrote: >How good can we do with a simple rule of conversion of ranked ballots to >approval ballots? >Given a set of preference ballots, let n1, n2, ... be the numbers of top >rank votes for candidates c1, c2, ... , respectively. (For now assume that >every ballot fully ranks the c

Re: [EM] "Completion" & falsification

2004-01-21 Thread Kevin Venzke
Mike, I think you may be confused about the process of Symmetric Completion as different from the criterion. The criterion says that the method gives the same results whether or not the ballots are completed symmetrically. This is met by FPP, IRV, and Margins, none of which employ the *process*

[EM] Re: SCRRIRVE; my folly

2004-01-21 Thread Chris Benham
James Green-Armytage , in his first post on CC SCRRIRVE, wrote (Mon.Jan.19, 2004): "these "hybrid" Condorcet methods haven't sparked my interest yet. I prefer a "parsimonious" voting method, because it seems that the more complexity there is in the tally rule, the more convoluted the strategi

[EM] Re: Compactness

2004-01-21 Thread Forest Simmons
Another intrinsic approach: Suppose that the census bureau published a data base representing a network whose nodes were the voter residences and whose edges were the streets and roads. Weights on the nodes would give numbers of voters, weights on the edges would be either numbers of meters or st